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Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by pvg »

Bud wrote: post #25
drej wrote: post #23

I honestly can’t remember when I last paid for 1Password, yet I use it on my Mac and iOS devices (since 2011 it seems!). It never prompts me, it just works. I don’t follow the pricing policy changes, the only thing I know is I don’t want a subscription. I just want to pay for this great piece of software. So I hope this just means I’ll shell out $50 or so and be done for a few years? If so, then great.

It doesn't mean that, they are aggressively making sure it will never mean that again, and it definitely won't be fifty bucks for a few years. (It's $36/yr.)

You can buy 1Password 7 standalone right now.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by daveFNbuck »

smaddox wrote: post #27
Spooky23 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone making software wants Abobe/Microsoft margins and enterprise like recurring revenue for their random product. At least in the case of 1password the rate isn’t usurious, but the biggest problem they have is due to a business decision to make the product dependent on a SaaS-like service delivery model.

If it's cloud-based sync, then a subscription model makes sense, but I've yet to find a subscription price that is in line with what I think is reasonable (~$2 / month) for the service.

LastPass is $2/month.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by akerl_ »

preek wrote: post #4

Good timing that I moved all my passwords from 1Password to Emacs and GPG one year ago. It’s a pity; I’ve been a very happy customer for a long time, had licenses for multiple machines and was happy enough to pay for the updates. But my data shall be my data, again. I’m not paying for an app that I regularly have to buy an upgrade for and which doesn’t give me the opportunity to hold my data locally after explicitly…

People keep bringing this up, and it feels like a major failure of Agilebits marketing approach.

The subscription service changes the frequency at which you pay Agilebits; it does not mandate how you store your data. 1Password 7 continues to allow all the kinds of local/Dropbox/etc vaults that prior versions allowed.

If somebody at Agilebits is reading this thread: look around at these comments. The lack of clear information about local storage in the subscription model is causing massive levels of customer concern.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by hs86 »

I hate subscription models but with 1PW 7 I would have to pay +40 € for each the Mac and the Windows version and still have not access to new features like the travel mode or the CLI client.

AgileBits seems to be an honest company and they went the extra mile to backport some new features (TOTP) to their dated 1PW 4 codebase. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and try their subscription and should they ever turn 'evil', I know that alternatives like Bitwarden or Enpass are available and ready to import my 1PW vault.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bdcravens »

acdha wrote: post #39
nsarafa wrote: post #11

I lost faith in 1Password when they forced me into the subscription model despite paying full price for the product years ago

How did they force you into the subscription model?

This. You can still use it with local vaults or sync with something like Dropbox.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by Xylakant »

daveFNbuck wrote: post #32
shadowmint wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can this be an issue if their base software is open source? Just recompile it with the numbers upped, surely?

Your passwords are stored on their server. You'd have to compile and run your own server, which is more expensive than the $1/month they're asking for.

So you’re paying for the service they offer: a hosted version. You do so because it’s cheaper than hosting your own. There’s no conflict at all with any open source ethic.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by pvg »

tajen wrote: post #43
greggarious wrote: post #18

I've been using KeepassXC (KeePass w/ macOS GUI elements) and enjoying it. It's a little simple (you just copy and paste the PW). It doesn't do fancy autofill but there's support for pretty much every OS. (I use Spideroak to sync the DB across devices)

Guys, why not Keychain, the default password manager of macOS?

iCloud Keychain is Safari-only.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bdcravens »

pvg wrote: post #51
Bud wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't mean that, they are aggressively making sure it will never mean that again, and it definitely won't be fifty bucks for a few years. (It's $36/yr.)

You can buy 1Password 7 standalone right now.

Where is that information on their website?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by xoa »

rcarmo wrote: post #3
waterphone wrote: post #2

…but they will still be selling individual non-subscription licenses through their own website, so anyone who wants to avoid a subscription can still do so.

Still, this is a trend I will have nothing to do with if at all possible. And besides subscriptions, version 7 will only sync using their back-end, which is not acceptable for me. On one hand, password managers in browsers are becoming nearly good enough to cover for 80% of my use cases, and most of the other 20% boil down to convenience (ease of pasting, updating, etc.) I don't like the idea of being forced to move…

>And besides subscriptions, version 7 will only sync using their back-end, which is not acceptable for me.

What. I'm using 1Password 7 with a standalone license. I installed the beta, paid the $40 it cost for a license, and it works fine with iCloud and Dropbox same as always, I moved right from 1Password 4 and the only change I did was to purposefully force a resync so that all shared keychains would be updated from the ancient format to the newer one (if you were on 1P6 that wouldn't be necessary).

I'm not a fan of their subscription efforts because I think it's actively subtracted from what they could have done for the standalone version, and I don't think they've been fully honest about it which absolutely rankles. They talk big about benefits but they don't actually acknowledge costs or the profit motive. Even so there is a really oddly high load of objectively, trivially disproved FUD swirling around these HN articles about them now and I don't fully understand why.

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