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GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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"Allow removing it" is a pretty big barrier for many.

Smartest, most paid profession in the world and now bunch of those people are incapable of running DELETE SQL queries?

Good luck running sql queries on your tape backup or event sourcing backend.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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There are other laws which require you to keep data for up to 10 years. This will require you to split up your backups and clean the ones for the longer storage from all unnecessary PII. That is already costly and challenging. Problem is nobody really knows what data you have to strip of and what do you have to retain for other laws.

You are talking about a very narrow set of legal reasons that need 10 years of archiving. This has nothing to do with the GDPR and these archives should really not be created from normal daily/... backups. If you fall into that category you need a lawyer even without the GDPR and this lawyer will tell you exactly what and how to archive. "Nobody really knows" does not apply here because your lawyer knows.

> very narrow set of legal reasons that need 10 years of archiving

Invoices for VAT MOSS have to be archived for ten years. And until today nobody really knows (it is another EU law disaster) which information you have to keep to prove the origin of your customer.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Well, if anything, Europe has a history of labeling authoritarians as progressives. Whether that's something to be proud of is something history will decide.

Authoritarianism is the only way to protect the people from runaway capitalism. Juncker is a good leader - I never understood why Americans/Anglos think that "Authoritarianism = BAD".

Probably because we’ve internalized the lessons of the aftermath of the British empire

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Hugo (static blog generator) is spending non-insignificant efforts to comply: https://github.com/gohugoio/hugo/issues/4616 . It looks like a simple thing like embedding a Youtube video in your blog post is no longer so simple. As well as loading any external JS dependencies.

Youtube, disqus, twitter are designed to collect as much info about persons as possible, so yes, it might be difficult to prevent them from doing that.

The fault lies entirely with those companies, which did the wrong thing with impunity until it was literally outlawed.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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I'm convinced this is the start where EU citizens become second class Internet users. Many businesses just don't want to go through the troubles of GDPR regulatory hoops. For most businesses, there's enough customers to sustain their business in the US, Canada, rest of the world that they can ignore all EU customers.

The internet of today is pretty crappy.

Being a first class citizen means being tracked like an animal with an implanted chip.

And let's face it, 99% of web sites and tools aren't really needed, more like a waste of time.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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> Data Protection Officer

He doesn't need one

> Crashes

So don't send the users IP with the crash report?

> Push

I don't know enough about this, but:

"APNS push tokens are associated with devices which can be traced back to a user if combined with info on the originating XMPP server."

I didn't think monal ran their own XMPP servers? If they don't then is there really a danger of someone combining the data from the two services?

> Honestly, I do not know if XMPP federation is legal anymore in the EU with GDPR.

I have no idea, but if the monal developer isn't running any XMPP servers then is this even an issue?

This all seems like someone who doesn't like GDPR having a bit of a tantrum and interpreting the laws in a way that makes it seem like they are in a worse position than they actually are.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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This guy is not a small business. He's just a guy, doing this for fun, it seems.

I run a soup kitchen, doens't mean I can ignore fire regulations, or health codes

If I run a soup kitchen and new regulations make it too costly for me to continue, I'm in the right to shut it down if I want. If anyone is against this decision, then they should open their own soup kitchen that meets the new regulations.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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While Monal is privacy focused, it is also free, open source and run by a single person — me. I simply do not have the resources or the time to jump through the regulatory hoops required by the EU. As a new and small construction company we simply don't have the resources to comply with all the building codes and the related paperwork. I just can't afford to meet all food safety requirements, I just want to provide f…

I built a small shed in my backyard. I didn't follow any building codes. I cooked a meal at home, I didn't follow any food safety standards. I build a gokart from scratch and ride it around my own property.

Should any of these be banned? Now if I tell my friend, 'Hey, you can store stuff in my shed/grab a plate of food/take the gokart for a spin', should any of it be banned?

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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I run a soup kitchen, doens't mean I can ignore fire regulations, or health codes

If I run a soup kitchen and new regulations make it too costly for me to continue, I'm in the right to shut it down if I want. If anyone is against this decision, then they should open their own soup kitchen that meets the new regulations.

That doesn't mean the regulations are bad. Just because the food is given free, doesn't mean you are allowed to poison people

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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"What if you don't want to deal with any of that." What if you don't want to deal with the rules of the road?

There is a big cost to regulating the internet and we know that. If the internet was regulated in the 90s we 'd still be watching Teletext.

I entirely reject that argument in all its forms.
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