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Re: Introducing Surface Hub 2

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Suspect wrote: post #16
menacingly wrote: post #15

The thing Microsoft seems to get is that you can keep grinding on these devices even if they aren't smash hits. Eventually people like me start to consider them a viable alternative because we know they aren't going to give up on them like Google.

Zune. Surface RT. Kinect. Windows Phone. Band. Just naming some things that I've personally purchased and Microsoft no longer supports. They are no better than Google at continuing to support their products.

> Surface RT

Let's not forget the original Surface.

Re: Introducing Surface Hub 2

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Post by basch »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #82
ChuckMcM wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of the two I'd like the 84" one, its got the 4K screen, the 1920 x 1080 screen of the smaller one doesn't allow for a good drawing experience. CDW also claims to sell that one for about 30% over list from the Microsoft site. And while I get the relabeled Teams stuff as Skype for Business I would assume it is also compatible with Skype for humans :-). In my home lab I would use it for collaboration with remote folks,…

> And while I get the relabeled Teams stuff as Skype for Business I would assume it is also compatible with Skype for humans :-). I don't believe it is. Skype and S4B, apart from the common name, have literally nothing in common with each other. Skype for Business is just a rebranded Lync, which is a rebranded Office Communicator. The new board uses Teams conferencing which IIRC is also incompatible with Skype for Bu…

Teams and S4B can sort of communicate but its more broken than it works. If a user is signed out of teams, but signed into S4B, the message might go to teams instead. Sometimes teams continually fragments S4B messages into new convos.

Re: Introducing Surface Hub 2

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Post by basch »

basch wrote: post #56
Someone1234 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I tried to buy one and couldn't because they were only available to 'qualified' customers You can order one from CDW right now[0]. They did initially only open them up to Microsoft Partners with a certain level, but that was many years ago now. I will say that a Surface Hub is much more useful when used as part of AD/O365. Since Skype for Business is a major selling point and not really useful to the individual. Us…

you can not order one right now, out of stock

this got downvoted but its true. you cannot order a 55in surface hub at the moment, from anyone.

Re: Introducing Surface Hub 2

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Post by basch »

EnderMB wrote: post #114
cwyers wrote: post #69

Am I the only one who sees this and wishes Microsoft was still doing something in the phone space?

I think the dream for a lot of people is a Surface Phone, built on Android. From a privacy standpoint it'd probably be absolute hell, but the build quality of every Surface product I've used has been phenomenal, so if they could translate this to a flagship phone with features they'd run away with a good portion of the market. The flagship market seems pretty desperate at the moment, with choosing a top-tier phone be…

why dont they build an android phone and ship their own version of Google Play Services and Android Runtime based on .Net Framework?

If phones had Android Runtime and .Net framework they would be Windows and Android phones to most users.

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Post by rtkwe »

mrep wrote: post #43
ChuckMcM wrote: post #41

I would love a Surface Hub, I tried to buy one and couldn't because they were only available to 'qualified' customers (something an individual apparently never could be). Now with 4K (or 8K!) displays it becomes completely credible to replace a white board with one. And the benefits of the shared whiteboard and presence is really solid when working with someone who isn't local. The software infrastructure investment…

While I agree the benefits of the shared whiteboard sound nice, I much prefer the feel of drawing on a whiteboard over touch screens. Plus, whiteboards are much cheaper.

It's nice until you need to do any remote collaboration with whiteboarding there's not really a good way to allow someone on the phone to interact with people in the room. Even with a camera the remote person has to describe anything they want to add to the whitebaord diagram. I think that's where there's no real substitute for being there in person at the moment in most offices because digital whiteboards have never really caught on.

Re: Introducing Surface Hub 2

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Post by rtkwe »

majormajor wrote: post #85
EricLemieux wrote: post #21

Wouldn't having the camera at the top of such a large screen (in portrait as demo-ed in the video) exacerbate the lack of eye content in a video call? If it's noticeable on a laptop sized screen I can't imagine how off-putting it would be on this.

Video calls from a conference room with a dedicated below-screen camera are far better than from a laptop, IME. Any given person in the other room is generally small enough on the screen that them looking at the screen instead of the camera is fine. But I'm not sure if a more overhead angle would be as good.

I think it comes down to the difference between eye lines and distance more than anything like the camera's placement above or below the screen. With a laptop any location the difference between looking at screen and camera is pretty drastic because it's pretty close to the user. In a conference room people are generally much farther away and smaller so it's harder to see the difference between looking at the screen and the camera.

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Post by rbanffy »

shmed wrote: post #100
rbanffy wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google reader was a web application. Every time you accessed it, Google was paying for it. You already paid for your Windows RT device.

And they are not taking your Surface RT either. You can keep using it for ever, in the same state as it was when you purchased it, just don't expect new features.

How long until you are unable to update your digital certificates? Or the certificates used to sign the apps you run are no longer valid and the apps cease to function?

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Post by ZuLuuuuuu »

freeone3000 wrote: post #119
ZuLuuuuuu wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That support means just security updates. I have bought a Lumia 820 and then Lumia 950 and the "real" updates stopped happening after only 1.5 to 2 years. Lumia 820 did not get Windows 10 update (although officially promised by Microsoft). Is Lumia 950 still supported? On the paper, yes. But there are no new features, only security updates. When we bought Microsoft ecosystem hardware, software-wise they had a long wa…

So your problem is that the product, as you purchased, works just as well as the day you bought it, and continues to get security updates? You seem to be upset about things that it was not and will never be, and not anything that it was that it no longer is.

My reply was simply an answer to the claim that Microsoft's approach deserves credits when compared to Google's support to their products. And I explained why the situation with Microsoft products are similar, not better, compared to Google's support approach.

And from law point of view, Microsoft of course did not break any laws by not updating the phones. But when announcing Windows 10 Mobile phones, emphasising that the phones now have the same operating system as desktop counterparts and hence they will get the same updates, and not delivering this feature, is worth to be upset about.

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