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GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Post by merinowool »

craigsmansion wrote: post #148
merinowool wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really can't imagine what state is capable of doing? Not so long ago they packed people on trains to gas them on an industrial scale, and there were people questioning whether this actually happened. Do you think jailing people for not complying with GDPR is not possible? Bookmark this comment and check in 5 years... if this site will even exist by then.

> and there were people questioning whether this actually happened. Or equally bad: people trivialising it by comparing it to some new regulation to show how bad it is because "the state" somehow is involved.

I am not trivialising, just pointing out that state is capable of doing unimaginable things.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Post by peteretep »

kingofhdds wrote: post #767
Angostura wrote: post #687

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I respect his right to do whatever he would like with his own hobby, but we should be clear that the guy is stating he doesn’t have the resources, based on a series of misunderstandings. So, for example, he says he is required to appoint a DPO. The U.K. Information Commissioner has this to say: >Do we need to appoint a Data Protection Officer? A> Under the GDPR, you must appoint a DPO if: > you are a public authority…

And "large scale" means how many records in DB? How many users? Or records per day?

These are excellent questions that you will have to have shown you've considered if you get audited. If there's disagreement with the regulator, you'll come together to resolve it, and then may need to appoint one.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Post by Bromskloss »

jacquesm wrote: post #273

This is a ridiculous over-reaction based on an extremely shallow interpretation of the GDPR. If you are running a small business and you feel that you won't be able to operate your business because of the GDPR consider all those other laws that you have to be in compliance with as well. If that's your attitude towards legal compliance then you should probably shut your business down completely rather than to hope tha…

> then again it is a business and costs of doing business are the norm.

Does a cost become acceptable because it's the norm?

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Post by isostatic »

sunir wrote: post #643
cyphar wrote: post #380

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> You are required to comply with the laws of your country, not those of other countries. No, you are required to comply with the laws of any country you do business with. This applies to any type of business, and I don't see why "it's on the internet" appears to be the main counter-argument. If I buy something from you (via snail-mail or on the internet) and it doesn't follow the requirements of the consumer law in…

No. It is quite definitely not true that you must comply with the laws of countries you are not in. The EU is primarily leveraging the fact that most everyone wants to travel to the EU eventually. While you in your home country you have no need to comply with the GDPR unless a treaty between your home country and the EU exists to mandate it. The EU is also leveraging their trade agreements. What they don’t understand…

The U.S. has been doing this for decades, applying U.S. laws to global citizens who happen to travel to the U.S, and I'm not even talking about kidnapping foreign citizens and taking them to Cuba.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Post by nalllar »

TomasEkeli wrote: post #230
Bizarro wrote: post #216

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I keep telling people - the thing that changes with GDPR is that personal data you handle is now still owned by the person and only in your custody as long as they explicitly allow it. That person doesn't own those bits on that hard drive.

They don't own the bits. They own the data those bits represent. The person/company who does own the bits has to comply with the rights of the owner of the data. How you decide to store it makes little difference as long as it's digital. Fun aside: if you store it on paper you're not beholden to GDPR. Crazy.

> Fun aside: if you store it on paper you're not beholden to GDPR. Crazy.

Do you have a source for this?

From some quick googling that doesn't appear to be true.

https://www.orsgroup.com/news/compliance/how-the-gdpr-affect... https://www.winterhawkconsulting.com/4946-2/ https://www.p4p.uk.com/gdpr-compliance-paper-documents/

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Post by isostatic »

tathougies wrote: post #327
jacquesm wrote: post #273

This is a ridiculous over-reaction based on an extremely shallow interpretation of the GDPR. If you are running a small business and you feel that you won't be able to operate your business because of the GDPR consider all those other laws that you have to be in compliance with as well. If that's your attitude towards legal compliance then you should probably shut your business down completely rather than to hope tha…

This guy is not a small business. He's just a guy, doing this for fun, it seems.

I run a soup kitchen, doens't mean I can ignore fire regulations, or health codes

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Post by scotty79 »

kingofhdds wrote: post #767
Angostura wrote: post #687

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect his right to do whatever he would like with his own hobby, but we should be clear that the guy is stating he doesn’t have the resources, based on a series of misunderstandings. So, for example, he says he is required to appoint a DPO. The U.K. Information Commissioner has this to say: >Do we need to appoint a Data Protection Officer? A> Under the GDPR, you must appoint a DPO if: > you are a public authority…

And "large scale" means how many records in DB? How many users? Or records per day?

I guess if you have to ask that question you are not a large scale.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Post by lagadu »

sunir wrote: post #640
abiox wrote: post #624

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you seem to suggest that you can (for example) sell/distribute canadian alcohol in saudi arabia, even though it's illegal there. do you really think that's accurate? every country has the right to enforce it's own laws within it's own borders. you don't get a pass to do whatever you please in another country without their permission. edit: i noticed "my business exists only in Canada" if you mean to say you aren't do…

Yes. You can sell alcohol to Saudi Arabians from Canada. You cannot ship to Saudi Arabia. The buyer may pick up in another location where alcohol is legal including in person in Canada. What they do with the alcohol once in their possession is their business.

Selling to Saudi Arabians and selling to Saudi Arabia are two entirely different things. In one you're doing conducting business in the Saudi Arabian market, and therefore under the umbrella of their government and in the other you're conducting business in whatever market the person you're selling your alcohol is located at, and under the umbrella of that market's laws.

Re: GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU

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Post by Sacho »

tathougies wrote: post #327
jacquesm wrote: post #273

This is a ridiculous over-reaction based on an extremely shallow interpretation of the GDPR. If you are running a small business and you feel that you won't be able to operate your business because of the GDPR consider all those other laws that you have to be in compliance with as well. If that's your attitude towards legal compliance then you should probably shut your business down completely rather than to hope tha…

This guy is not a small business. He's just a guy, doing this for fun, it seems.

How does that defense work out for marijuana growers in the US?
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