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US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

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Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

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"The decline in the rate from 2016 to 2017 was the largest single-year decline since 2010," the CDC said ... Historically, the number of babies born in the U.S. has gradually risen since a sharp decline in the early 1970s.

Particularly given the parallels, I'm surprised there's so little talk of the political climate in connection with these episodes.

I expected this to happen.

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

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Yes, of course. If you're a deep sea fisherman, it's trivially provable that you can't do that job in Nebraska :) But that's never what these guys mean. It's always casually advanced as a blanket statement about the hopelessness of living somewhere that you can't smell the ocean. I don't know why it became popular to demonstrate such obvious ignorance about the job markets of inland cities, but here we are. I, for ex…

This is precisely what I meant. Good luck searching for tech jobs in Portland or even in Seattle outside of Amazon/MS

I’m from St. Louis and even there six-figure programming jobs are pretty easy to get. There’s no nice way to say this: you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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I don't think you're thinking of the historical details to say that in such a blase manner. The path to integration went through periods much more violent and contentious than anything we see today.

I'm aware of how immigrants were treated back then and I'm not condoning it. That still doesn't change the fact that they came from cultures that IMO were quite compatible with the USAs considering their common origin and values. I think the current situation in Europe, and other instances of mass migration in history, demonstrate that not all cultures are compatible with each other

So, only white people can assimilate then? The now many generations of people of Hispanic origin that are part of the American story would seem to indicate you are wrong. As is the case with the now multiple generations of Koreans and particularly Japanese, who remain part of the US story even after being put into concentration camps because of precisely the same sort of prejudice, that they were somehow inherently un-American due to their "cultural incompatibility", i.e. non-whiteness, unlike the millions of German-Americans in the US at the time.

The Muslims will (continue to) integrate as well. It takes a couple of generations.

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Why would she be unpaid, and why isn't family part of an active life, and why is grandma so much wealthier than her children?

Because Grandma had her mom watch her kids so didn't spend $14,400/year on infant care, and her mom had time because she got fired from her school teacher job the day she got married! Today's mom, on the other hand, moved to San Francisco to get her data scientist/devops/whatever job (there were not any in her area of northern Minnesota and she kind of liked CA after going to Stanford) and Grandma doesn't want to mov…

Also because Grandma can't afford to live in CA on her social security pension.

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I'm no economist, but I've been mulling over some of the common problems the majority of citizens of modern countries are all facing. I think that most of them (low purchasing power, high cost of living, high house prices) seem to stem from the effects of our collective activity and lack of large-scale and long-term organization and planning; it doesn't help that we've been lately -- as a society -- focused on optimi…

Couldn't agree more

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

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I make a quarter million dollars. No, that money certainly won't be going to my kids. It's utterly ridiculous to pay that amount of money for child support for one child. This is essentially incentivizing my partner to break up with me: "Hey , if you dump him, you get a $60k check for the rest of your life for sitting on your ass." Incidentally, this is far more than she has ever made.

You are correct that it does not take $60K a year to raise a kid (or two or three). There has been a meme for a couple decades now, that kids are so expensive and will cost millions of dollars to raise, etc. This meme is doubtless responsible for much of the reduced birthrate. You can spend as much or as little as you desire on kids. I grew up shopping at Goodwill, but now I buy $40 shoes that my kids will wear for 6…

Being practical hardly constitutes a "trust issue". It's as if none of the people criticizing me have a concept of relationships grounded in reality. It wasn't the topic and I shouldn't have to defend my relationship here.

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There are tech jobs everywhere. From Toronto to Paraguay and from SF to NYC and everywhere in between. Technology is everywhere , it is almost impossible to find a place where there are no tech jobs. But the bigger cities tend to have more of them and for better pay and Silicon Valley, New York, DC, Amsterdam, Berlin, London, and so on will have the best paid jobs but also the highest cost of living. Silicon Valley i…

Look, yes, obviously there are more jobs in the biggest cities. Why people insist on translating this into “there are no jobs anywhere else” is anybody’s guess. But it extends beyond preference or opinion and into objectively, verifiably, factually wrong territory with remarkable consistency. It makes the people who claim it look ridiculous, but they seem to think it makes them look — I don’t know what — something no…

Echo chambers are dangerously wrong in many ways but today anybody that can use a browser should be able to verify the information for themselves with a little bit of work if it really mattered to them.

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Also, a fact is that illegal immigrants are willing to work for dirt-cheap which subsidizes our produce price. :) https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/in-an-immigrat...

Do you genuinely believe people are going about thinking "I'm so glad for all this illegal immigration so that tomatoes are 20 cents cheaper"?

No, that's why it's a fact and not an opinion poll that was cited. If people were thinking that, maybe they wouldn't be talking about shooting illegal immigrants [0].

[0] http://www.newsweek.com/ann-coulter-shooting-immigrants-ille...

Re: US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

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For what it's worth, I've got two kids and live in a 2bd. apartment in SF. I'll never be able to afford a house in the city, but I like my job and I'm not willing to commute from the outermost burbs I could afford. And it's totally worth it. Yes, having kids brings some limitations with it, but it's also one of the very best experiences that one can have. I hear a lot of young professionals express fear that they can…

I think city living in SF is super great for people who can afford the extra cost. Right now you have 2 kids in a 2 bedroom, and at some point that is going to be pretty cramped for everyone. Also the number of families that put a strain on the system is pretty stressful. For example, getting a slot into the school lottery for Lowell High is crazy competitive.

Yet, I agree, nothing beats walking them to day care and then to work and having a dog to play with in a park a few blocks away. Having access to some of the best food in the world and lots of evening family friendly events is quite a perk and a dream.

Another thing though that I hear a lot, people who choose to live in the subburbs here also find the "unique" culture of SF a bit much for a kid to get exposed to so early. A bit too gritty and real lol, but I applaud you for being so open.

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