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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by Sylos »

ravenstine wrote: post #246
em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #133

How long until it's discontinued? Oh, and btw, with tools like NewPipe, I can listen without ads.

NewPipe is brilliant! I don't even care so much about the ads(still HATE ads), but the interface is superior in almost every way. The YouTube app, as with all of Google's clunky Android apps, takes several seconds to load, is slow, cluttered, and annoys me with notifications for "trending" videos. It's the second worst Google app to Maps, which is embarrassingly slow and gets worse with every update. NewPipe, on the…

I don't have a Chromecast, so no idea how well this works, but you could probably install VLC and tell NewPipe to "Use external video player" (in the settings) and then have VLC send it over to your Chromecast.

One big problem with this that I can tell you about right away, is that you only get 720p. NewPipe deals with some DRM bullshit to allow playing of higher resolutions, which VLC does not do.

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

dexen wrote: post #77
tokyodude wrote: post #61

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

They are following in the footsteps of the movie industry, which also provides worse experience to the paying customer. Pay for movie theater ticket, get served 30+ minutes of ads. (edit) Pay for DVD, get unskippable "antipiracy ads". Torrent the movie, and you'll be watching the movie in under 3 minutes of download.

I love the movie theater and the previews.

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #152
lmedinas wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google does it with other products as well. See for example the Instant messaging apps they have done: 0) Google Wave 1) Google Talk 2) Hangouts 3) Google Duo and Google Allo 4) Android Messaging 5) other ? and of course of course the Task mess good has implemented in Google Assistant, Google Tasks, Google Calendar and Google Keep. Seriously Google needs to plan better their brands and services.

There's another way to look at this. That is, The Google is not a product (or brand) company. It's an analytics company. Despite all the hype about it's greatness and genius it is still (for all intents and purposes) a one trick pony; some would say a monopoly as well. If this is your lens then their drunk sailor march of products is not much of a surprise. In fact, those who see it as a monopoly might even suggest i…

Which trick? Email? YouTube? Maps? Android? Chrome? Photos?

Not sure I am following? Looking at top 10 apps for all smartphones they own five of the top ten. Then at websites it is a similar story.

Can you explain?

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

matwood wrote: post #183
oblio wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google operates under the assumption that they're making a "free market": they have a ton of services, some competing directly, and in the end a winner emerges and snuffs everyone else out. I guess someone should tell them about the paradox of choice, branch dilution and the fact that despite Google being big, they're not an entire market unto themselves. Google: make 1 big, single, integrated service and when a star…

> Google operates under the assumption that they're making a "free market": they have a ton of services, some competing directly, and in the end a winner emerges and snuffs everyone else out. Except they are only doing the first part, putting out a lot products. At some point they have to kill off the other products and put the combined resources behind the one that wins. All I see is more products getting released.

They do it all the time. Got rid of all the Photo apps for example and just one.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by mapgrep »

brianpgordon wrote: post #290
macspoofing wrote: post #280

The way Google brands products reminds me of Microsoft when they tried to attach an unrelated product to a moderately popular consumer brand (Looking at you Groove Music, I mean Xbox Music, I mean Zune Music) There is nothing wrong with Google Play Music apart from the 'Play' misnomer. Google Music should be a standalone product that competes with Spotify. It's a well defined and well understood category. YouTube is…

Just so you're aware, you already get background playback on mobile devices if you pay for YouTube Red.

I find this the height of arrogance that Google charges for this and it enrages me on a level I freely admit is irrational and pointless.

But just the gall:

1. Get FREE creative work from musicians, film types, tv types, and tons of bright friendly ordinary people

2. Monetize the hell out of it (fine)

3. Allow a sewer community of racists bullies and other terrible people to develop in comments section (negligent but ok it's gotten a little better)

4. Make it hard for visitors to extract original media even though you're purporting to be a hosting service (lame but I can live with it)

5. Cripple playback in basic ways for petty reasons (you're starting to really suck)

6. Try and CHARGE people to undo 5 (Gah!!!!! Die!!!)

I pay for a lot of things. I pay Hulu extra for the ad free version. I pay HBO for HBO Now even though I have a pirated Go login. I buy tv shows on iTunes. I'll even buy movies off friggin' Amazon if it means not pirating them. But I will never pay Google to achieve BASIC playback capabilities on other people's content just on PRINCIPLE. Never. Greedy greedy little leeches. YouTube is a great thing but the people who run it have turned Bad.

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Post by techer »

Scottopherson wrote: post #282
starshadowx2 wrote: post #276

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You can do all of that easily without paying though, and without having the two screens issue.

Adblock or youtube-dl does not allow the video creator(s) to be paid for their content. I tried patreon to support creators I like but not all of them use it and their pricing changes awhile back turned me away. Youtube red has been a much better alternative.

Yes. But not available in the UK so I use patreon etc for few and the rest I complain to my friend at Youtube in the hope it will arrive here! Background play and offline is essential...

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Post by Shebanator »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #247
reificator wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I used to be able to play a non-music youtube video on my phone while playing music in the background. Now it's one or the other, and I can't even get around it by playing music on another device since I use Google Play Music. Shame Google Play Music is going away, it does some cool things. It lets me upload my own music so I can actually listen to Tool on a streaming service.[0] It lets me build up a collection…

It's a shame Google Play Music is a Google product. I have it and like it for the same reasons you do, but it is consistently hamstrung by clearly existing primarily to attract enough users to have a somewhat competitive service and gather usage data, not to excel in the market or outdo the competition. At the very least, it's not incentivized to improve much. They've only JUST fixed the UI issue where the 3 dots to…

It always kills me when people say things like this about gathering user data. I was an eng. manager on GPM for almost 5 years, and in that entire time I never participated in or even overheard anyone talk about the value of user data when it wasn't in the context of improving our music recommendations. Any benefits that other teams got from our user data were secondary at best, and we didn't really have time to think about that.

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Post by simongr3dal »

brianpgordon wrote: post #290
macspoofing wrote: post #280

The way Google brands products reminds me of Microsoft when they tried to attach an unrelated product to a moderately popular consumer brand (Looking at you Groove Music, I mean Xbox Music, I mean Zune Music) There is nothing wrong with Google Play Music apart from the 'Play' misnomer. Google Music should be a standalone product that competes with Spotify. It's a well defined and well understood category. YouTube is…

Just so you're aware, you already get background playback on mobile devices if you pay for YouTube Red.

But only very few countries in the world are allowed to pay for YouTube Red, and I don’t get why. I thought every creator had to agree to the terms of service, which would allow YouTube to sell ad-free access via YouTube Red all over the world.

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

dexen wrote: post #77
tokyodude wrote: post #61

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

They are following in the footsteps of the movie industry, which also provides worse experience to the paying customer. Pay for movie theater ticket, get served 30+ minutes of ads. (edit) Pay for DVD, get unskippable "antipiracy ads". Torrent the movie, and you'll be watching the movie in under 3 minutes of download.

Pretty sure you pay a movie theatre to see it in the big screen, the experience and before it’s available elsewhere.
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