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Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by cascom »

RightMillennial wrote: post #106
cascom wrote: post #43

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It is generally understood that candidates must consent to have their references checked. In what part of the application process did the candidate consent to you letting anyone you choose know they are looking for a job?

Pardon me if this is a naïve question. Isn't the point of references that they can be checked and verified? Why would you need to obtain explicit consent to contact the contacts when they've been provided? Isn't the consent implicit by virtue of them being supplied?

Yes - and most times candidates will sign some form of blanket consent allowing companies to go beyond the the supplied references, and potentially run a background credit check/investigation. Which I’m by no means saying not to do. But key is getting the candidate’s consent and doing those checks at the appropriate time in the process, so you don’t potentially damage the candidate through your actions

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will_brown wrote: post #492
rootlocus wrote: post #472

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You forgot to cite the continuation: > In that period of time, I read McMillan's "Options as a Strategic Investment"book. It's like the Bible of options trading." Which is pretty laudable. An even extraordinary example would be the current president of the united states, which still manages to lie, and people still support him.

>An even extraordinary example would be the current president of the united states I am not a crook. - Nixon Read my lips, I will not raise taxes it wouldn’t be prudent. - H.W. Bush I did not have sexual relations with that woman. - Clinton We found the weapons of mass destruction. - G.W. Bush If you like your health plan, you can keep it. - Obama

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Post by Symmetry »

learc83 wrote: post #301
philwelch wrote: post #240

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I find that people who work really hard to convince people that "everyone lies" are usually the biggest liars. So my advice: Stop lying, and stop trying to normalize lying. To address the examples in the link given: 1. "Where do you see yourself in five years’ time?". There are honest ways of answering this question, or at least not-dishonest answers, that don't entail volunteering information that won't help you. 2.…

>That's not lying; that's just normal social etiquette. That's the argument. Some amount of dishonesty is required to follow normal social etiquette. Saying I'm fine is expected even if you're not actually fine. We have cultural norms for what kind of dishonesty is acceptable. When you exceed those norms, you're lying. Politely laughing at an unfunny joke, and telling someone that their food is "interesting", fall we…

There is such a thing as pragmatics[1] where the same words might mean different things in different situations. For any normal human being trying to communicate honestly their speech will be full of things that are wrong or don't strictly make sense but both partners in a conversation have to interpret each other generously for a conversation to proceed. "I spent the entire day doing paperwork!" has to be interpreted as the person spending the bulk of their productive day on paperwork, it doesn't mean that they never slept or ate to any reasonable person. If an answer promotes accurate beliefs then that's a good honest answer. If someone refuses to impart information in their answer then that's their right. If they promote inaccurate beliefs in their answer that's dishonesty.

[1]https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pragmatics/

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Post by wl »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #450
mrbill wrote: post #259

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FYI - a Stated Meeting at a Masonic Lodge is basically Robert's Rules of Order, with a little more pomp and circumstance and fancy titles and "jeweled collars" (felt and chromed pot metal) for the officer positions. Being a Mason and speaking in front of an entire Lodge helped me get over my fear of public speaking - because everyone else in the room had been through the exact same scenario, and nobody was going to m…

>are based around the allegory of the craftsmen that built King Solomon's Temple, // Interesting, so it's not an ancient society but a modern one fully cognisant of its fiction? I thought Masonry was founded on a real belief that it was a successor through time of a group of actual people building an actual temple. Is it in the records of your society who created the fiction and why they based it on Jewish history? I…

Freemasonry's self-awareness of its history has varied over time. Most educated Freemasons today don't believe the origin myths to be anything other than entertaining allegory.

A general overview of the topic: http://www.themasonictrowel.com/Articles/History/origin_file...

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Post by chatmasta »

oldandtired wrote: post #263
chatmasta wrote: post #109

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I take the opposite approach. I accept that everything I post online is public, and a chance to control my own narrative. I would much rather fill the Internet with my own content about myself, than leave it empty for someone else to impersonate or disparage me. Additionally, I am proud of what I post publicly — otherwise I wouldn’t post it. Public personas are a professional necessity, especially in our industry. Fo…

Then why use "chatmasta" as your handle instead of your real name, which you have provided in your profile? The problem with you view is that there are times when your message gets caught up with your identity. Especially, when your message may be against the consensus flow and stills needs to be made, without affecting you in any material way. Too often today, the messenger is "killed" because of the unpleasantness…

Because it’s way cooler, duh.

If you actually want to know, it’s because when I registered on my first forum in 2004 (runevillage anybody?), I signed up with my AIM username but mistyped the password. So I had to come up with a new name, and 12 year old me thought “chatmasta” sounded pretty damn cool.

I use my real name (milesrichardson) on services where my name is featured prominently and/or I would like people to find when googling me, eg GitHub LinkedIn etc

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Post by nocman »

dkersten wrote: post #422
nocman wrote: post #360

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> >I could answer with "thank you for making it" > You are carefully crafting a response to the question to make everyone believe that you liked the food without directly stating that. NO -- see that's the problem. You're making a huge assumption that is incorrect. "thank you for making it" does not mean "I liked it". And no, it won't make everyone believe that I liked the food (especially since that would not have b…

Some might see it as question dodging, which often implies the negative.

There's a difference between avoiding answering a question to prevent hurting someone's feelings, and doing so just to put yourself in a positive light (for selfish reasons). The scenario I was envisioning was the former.

Yeah I understand that some people try to spin everything their way, and I know it's annoying. My point was that just because someone doesn't answer a question or doesn't tell you everything they think in a situation, that doesn't mean that they are being dishonest.

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Post by emodendroket »

I'm not going to defend lying on your resume, but the contours of this story are interesting -- they talked to this guy because of the fraudulent history, and then were champing at the bit to hire him, which suggests that in every other way he was a good candidate. Perhaps we're putting an excessive emphasis on the previous companies someone's worked at.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by emodendroket »

aje403 wrote: post #505
mettamage wrote: post #440

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I applaud that you give this comment. Your comment seems indeed controversial, but you gave it in a thoughtful manner and you dared to give it. This is what I like about HN: thoughtful comments that may be controversial but are relevant even at the risk of one's own reputation. From my own limited interview experience: companies reject you for the silliest things, in my opinion and I have decided that I need to decei…

What are you even talking about? His opinion is not remotely controversial. Every populist hivemind drone on this site contends some form of this argument. Not a single person is (at least, getting upvoted) DEFENDING high or reasonable hiring bars - that is a controversial opinion.

That seems like a misreading of the question. The bar is high, and he cleared it, but was invited to try because of his fraudulent credential.

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Post by emodendroket »

jmspring wrote: post #318
Kenji wrote: post #180

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Question: What is freemasonry about and why did you join it? I read up on them quite a bit but I just didn't find any good examples of actual goals and activities they are pursuing. Do Masons have a hacker mentality?

The path to becoming a mason is first by reaching out to your local lodge. The person who responds can help you with the process. Beyond masons, there are the elks, the moose, and in parts of the West Clampers. Each have their lodges, their rituals, and focus. I started the mason path, but life got busy. I’m a Moose member and a Clamper. In all cases, the focus is community. In most cases, and this is what I apprecia…

That sounds like a secular version of a church or something. Am I in the right ballpark?
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