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I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by seunosewa »

dvtv75 wrote: post #377
Illniyar wrote: post #347

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Fabricating emails and phone numbers, getting others to act like your boss and lie for you is quite far over the line of just "lying in an interview". If he had passed all the interviews and when time came said he lied because he knew he can do it but without lying he wouldn't be able to get through the door, he would have probably gotten the job, at least on a probationary basis. But doing what he did means he's com…

I worked in a film processing store (before the turn of the century), and one of my workmates there told me how he'd set up a friend to pretend to be a former boss for him. Said friend forgot, my workmate was called in to the business and they told him they would ring the police if they ever heard his name again. Apparently there was swearing. Same guy found a mobile phone and rang some random number in Australia. Ra…

Will you report him to the school to save potential patients’ lives?

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by dkersten »

nocman wrote: post #360
learc83 wrote: post #349

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>Your statements can be 100% truthful, and yet not reveal all of your thoughts about a subject or situation. Having a filter doesn't make you dishonest. Some of your thoughts are unkind, some can be even downright evil at times. The fact that you don't reveal these things is often a sign of self control. Words have power, and they affect others around you. There's a reason everyone can't hear every thought you have.…

> >I could answer with "thank you for making it" > You are carefully crafting a response to the question to make everyone believe that you liked the food without directly stating that. NO -- see that's the problem. You're making a huge assumption that is incorrect. "thank you for making it" does not mean "I liked it". And no, it won't make everyone believe that I liked the food (especially since that would not have b…

Some might see it as question dodging, which often implies the negative.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by salvar »

learc83 wrote: post #295
AmericanChopper wrote: post #192

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That’s not really what I’m saying at all. Every lie you tell jeopardises the trust you have amongst others. You might not get caught, and if you do, you may not damage the trust irreparably depending on the magnitude of the lie. I’m also saying that a workplace cannot be functional without trust, and that a workplace that tolerates dishonesty will invariably erode it. So unless you want to exist in such a workplace,…

You ever politely laugh at something you really didn't find all that funny? Human social interactions are built on small deceptions. Some amount of dishonesty is required if you want to avoid being an awkward social pariah. If you are incapable of any social dishonesty whatsoever, you will quickly be labeled an inappropriate, self righteous asshole. Of course there is a limit to those social norms. Dishonesty that ex…

This seems like pedantic wordplay to me. Laughing at something I didn't really find funny is not even in the same league as lying about having worked somewhere where you didn't, and providing a false recommendation in order to get a job.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by seunosewa »

anothergoogler wrote: post #37
gumby wrote: post #31

> backdoor reference checks aren’t always considered kosher by everyone ?? These are the most important references. Many excellent candidates won't have a back connection but when they are possible they can make an important difference two ways: One is the way described here (or, "this person was OK but doesn't sound like they would work out for the kind of thing you want -- that was where they failed with us too.").…

How do you know that your backdoor reference doesn't personally dislike the candidate for something unrelated to their mutual work experience? Maybe hiring by hearsay works for some people, but I don't trust references, good or bad.

That’s actually an argument for checking more than one reference from each organization.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by salvar »

peterburkimsher wrote: post #234
jamiepenney wrote: post #113

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I find it handy because most of the time I know some shared connections and I can chat to them about the person (like you said, New Zealand is a small place). I know what you mean, I avoided creating a profile for the longest time, especially because they were doing a lot of shady stuff around sending emails to all your contacts. However I find it to be a genuinely useful tool now. In saying all of that, I'm not goin…

How long should a CV be for New Zealand companies? A friend in Wellington (Andrew Amesbury) recommended that I rewrite mine with more details, even though it's now 7 pages instead of 2. I worked at Fisher & Paykel Healthcare in Auckland while on a Working Holiday visa in 2011-2012. I still have some friends there, but they now outsourced their recruiting so internal references don't help as much. My previous boss (Ma…

I religiously stick to the one page max rule.

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Post by krageon »

joelcornett wrote: post #324
BadThink6655321 wrote: post #196

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Let me relate a true story, and then discuss some implications. After dinner one night, many years ago, an Indian co-worker and I started discussing politics. The Indian wanted to know why we didn’t nuke Pakistan in our hunt for bin Laden. I said that the fallout would kill tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of his countrymen. His response? “They’re excess people.” If you don’t care about others, then you will use t…

Sweeping generalizations and thinly veiled racism is ok on HN?

How is it racism to say India has a caste system and they've had a lot of practice? It has nothing to do with the colour of their skin (or whatever else you usually base "race" on - I'm not from a culture that uses it like that so I don't understand fully), rather it's a given of the country.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by joncrocks »

badpun wrote: post #394
matte_black wrote: post #278

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Yes, the law . You don’t get to enforce when and where a contractor works. They can perhaps agree to it to keep a good relationship, but they are not obligated, and if they change their mind the only thing you can do is fire them. You also don’t get to choose how they do their job. If they agreed to do something for a given price, they can do it how they see fit, even hiring a subcontractor. Don’t like it? Don’t hire…

> You also don’t get to choose how they do their job. If they agreed to do something for a given price, they can do it how they see fit, even hiring a subcontractor. Don’t like it? Don’t hire them. So, if I want to contract Beyonce to sing at my wedding, I need to make her my employee or she can legally send someone else to do it?

If it's indistinguishable work, then maybe? :-D

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by salvar »

lkrubner wrote: post #64
bduerst wrote: post #47

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Why? They'd eventually deceive the new customers just to make the sale, even going so far to fabricate facts and people just to do it. That's not the type of person you want bringing on new accounts at your company.

If they engage in outright fraud, then they are criminals, and they've probably been criminals in the past. That's why I emphasized the one thing to really check for is whether they are hiding a criminal past. At one point, when I was running my own business, I worked with an alcoholic who was a good salesman. I knew that he could be toxic, so I structured an agreement such that I kept some distance between him and m…

> If they engage in outright fraud, then they are criminals, and they've probably been criminals in the past.

That's an enormous assumption.

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Post by drewmol »

pjc50 wrote: post #398
mrbill wrote: post #87

You just never know who might turn up from your past... 1999: I was a sysadmin at an ISP in Austin. One day we had a tour come through, people looking to see if they wanted to colo in our datacenter. In walks in the former CEO and most of the technical staff from the Oklahoma City-based ISP I'd started my career at and left in '96. We laughed, shook hands.. and they headhunted me away a couple months later with a 200…

Next time someone says technical hiring is not hiring quite so many women or minorities because it's purely meritocratic, I'm going to point them at this post.

If they are not using this forum, and hold firm to ^ statement please don't point them here, but rather share the post's contents with them on efnet
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