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Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by viridian »

pjc50 wrote: post #411
rando444 wrote: post #404

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(1) Networking and building a reputation for yourself will always have value. (2) Most of the things that he's listed are merits. Being involved in his community, having a strong verifiable previous job history with good references, etc. (3) Having a good job history, making friends, and being involved in online and offline communities are not things limited to white males.

In re (3), the post specifically mentions the Masons, which traditionally is extremely exclusive, men-only, excludes Catholics, etc. They've opened up slightly in response to pressure, and there are some female freemasons, but it's still pretty exclusive.

Order of the Eastern star.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by will_brown »

rootlocus wrote: post #472
chickenfries wrote: post #123

> However, I am glad that I caught it early before we hired him. If we had hired him, tough to say what could have happened. Maybe he would have been great and our best performing AE. Maybe he wouldn’t have even known how to log into Salesforce. When you make it to the top by lying, you're considered a winner: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-goldman-gary-cohn-got-to-... > "I lied to him all the way to the airport,…

You forgot to cite the continuation: > In that period of time, I read McMillan's "Options as a Strategic Investment"book. It's like the Bible of options trading." Which is pretty laudable. An even extraordinary example would be the current president of the united states, which still manages to lie, and people still support him.

>An even extraordinary example would be the current president of the united states

I am not a crook. - Nixon

Read my lips, I will not raise taxes it wouldn’t be prudent. - H.W. Bush

I did not have sexual relations with that woman. - Clinton

We found the weapons of mass destruction. - G.W. Bush

If you like your health plan, you can keep it. - Obama

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by venuur »

This seems to be more of a story of a flawed interview process. The author claims all the interviews when very well. This suggests their questions are not substantive enough to actually distinguish an experienced candidate from others. Alternatively, the “catfish” was amply qualified and faked references for reasons not discussed in the article.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by dx034 »

badpun wrote: post #394
matte_black wrote: post #278

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Yes, the law . You don’t get to enforce when and where a contractor works. They can perhaps agree to it to keep a good relationship, but they are not obligated, and if they change their mind the only thing you can do is fire them. You also don’t get to choose how they do their job. If they agreed to do something for a given price, they can do it how they see fit, even hiring a subcontractor. Don’t like it? Don’t hire…

> You also don’t get to choose how they do their job. If they agreed to do something for a given price, they can do it how they see fit, even hiring a subcontractor. Don’t like it? Don’t hire them. So, if I want to contract Beyonce to sing at my wedding, I need to make her my employee or she can legally send someone else to do it?

No that's the same as requiring software to be written in Java. That's allowed as you have a business interest. But banning a contractor to use additional employees/subcontractors for their work is not your business, unless it's an employee. Sensitive information can restrict this but you wouldn't send those to a contractor anyway, in this case they'd likely work in-house.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by dx034 »

Clubber wrote: post #357
lovich wrote: post #270

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That is reality of how contracting jobs are in the current environment, but it is circumventing the law. I also have worked contracting jobs where I had to be there 9-5 and implement the exact architecture outlines by one employee of the client, while the boss I answered to on a daily basis was another employee of the client and not my nominal boss at the consultancy. All of that is solely to get around to requiremen…

I'm sure if you report tax evasion to the IRS, they will investigate.

The IRS is severely understaffed. They'd be able to recover a lot of taxes in that area but don't have the personnel to investigate.

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Post by Bartweiss »

roel_v wrote: post #373
rlayton2 wrote: post #159

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Yes, one of the great things about the "don't use your proper name on the internet" was the ability to let go of the past if needed. Much much harder now.

Getting ot now, but actually you'd be surprised (at least I was) how fast you drop off the internet as websites and services die. I've gotten more careful about using my full name maybe 4-5 years ago (the 10 before that I didn't care, and I never used my real name the 10 before that) and nowadays I'm all but invisible online, save a few work presentations with my name on it left and right. I know the mantra is 'the i…

Every once I a while I end up trying to recover my own posts and accounts from the Wild West days >10 years ago. It's shockingly hard - anything less established than Hotmail has a pretty good chance of simply being gone or unrecoverable.

Which is a pain when I'm looking for it, but vaguely reassuring otherwise; unless the government or the site-owners themselves are after you, much of that stuff isn't coming back.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by FLUX-YOU »

evrydayhustling wrote: post #122
sheepmullet wrote: post #90

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> who feel they have skills but lack credentials, but it is no excuse for falsifying info. Why is it no excuse? Because we work in a system where the majority of employees and employers are trying to do the right thing. But that's becoming less and less true - I've interviewed with plenty of companies who have no problem with wasting days of a potential employees time with large take home tests and I've got no qualms…

It's not just unethical, it's impractical, and the same reason applies to your take-home tests: if the first thing your employer asks you to do is something you want to outsource, what makes you think the tenth thing they ask you to do will be better? It's fair to be annoyed when hiring managers shift costs of filtering over to candidates. If it really bothers you, might be a sign to avoid that company culture entire…

If they don't realize that they could just outsource the ten things, he's adding value, managing the overhead, and should get paid for doing that. Believe me, people do get paid to do that and it's considered a good career. People even get paid to sit on reddit for 6 hours of a day for $100k+.

Let's not pretend candidates have equal recourse if a company lies to them about the culture or the job.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by dx034 »

dvtrn wrote: post #283
desdiv wrote: post #221

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It's easy to spot this Catfish even without any personal connections at Acme Corp. When Catfish provides Jim @ Acme Corp as a reference, but with a non-Acme Corp address for Jim, then that's a huge red flag. You either: 1. Reply with "Please provide Jim's Acme Corp work email address." Catfish won't be able to. The end. 2. Call Acme Corp front desk and get Jim's real phone number. Call Jim. 3. Find Jim's real email o…

Is it still a huge red flag if Jim left the company when you did because you were both hit by layoffs?

There's a high chance that he's on LinkedIn with his current company. And if he got laid off, using the header of the old company is definitely not ok.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by justherefortart »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #163
justherefortart wrote: post #137

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So you've never lied at work?

No, I haven’t. Is dishonesty something you’d like to defend?

Sure, you get what you give.

I'm honest out of the gate. But once they've lied to me, all bets are off.

I'm sure you've never lied as well, except to yourself which is abundantly clear.

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