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Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by donttrack »

thieving_magpie wrote: post #28

>Rule #2: Take a long hard look at a candidate’s social profiles. That worries me if I need to enter the job market. I have no social media profile with my name attached to it. I don't enjoy the facebook/twitter/instagram style sites.

Me neither. Never was a problem for me.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by ironjunkie »

bduerst wrote: post #161
ironjunkie wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahah, that's what management tells you. While telling you at the same time that you shouldn't ask for a raise as they don't give those out this year.

So you lie to your coworkers and customers, because someone else lied to you at some point? I'm not sure I quite follow...

It is all a game in which everyone pretends to be honest, but walks a fine line of acceptable lies. I'm only reacting to the "feel good" line that everyone is honest. This is not the way it works and we should not be duped to believe that.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by lovich »

incognitoz wrote: post #170
justherefortart wrote: post #136

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Everyone lies, because the interviewing process itself is a fucking joke, ESPECIALLY in the Bay Area. If the person can answer all my questions and they have a good attitude, I honestly don't give a shit what got them to that point. If someone doesn't work out, you can fire them. Yes it's "exhausting", maybe if it's so difficult to manage or run a business you should find a different role for yourself. I really enjoy…

Care to tell us which company you hire for, so that we can avoid it?

Why you want to avoid it? His response seems reasonable to me. When you have companies posting obvious lies like requiring 5 years in a 1 year old techonology, the whole process just becomes a lot of surreptitious winking as both sides knowingly lie to each other

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by hfdgiutdryg »

asveikau wrote: post #141
hfdgiutdryg wrote: post #46

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Why? Management lies to employees constantly. Sales lies to customers constantly. Why the sudden insistence on honesty?

With comments like this, can you believe it that people say Big Tech has an ethics problem?

I'm not much of a liar. But I certainly note that employers insist on honesty while regularly being entirely dishonest themselves.

It's a two-way street.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by lovich »

andrewstuart wrote: post #72

I'm a recruiter. Three anecdotes come to mind for this topic: #1 I once sent out a coding test email to a candidate. Not long after I got an email back from this candidate saying "Hey bro could you do this test for me please." or words to that effect. Obviously mistakenly forwarded it back to me instead of to his bro who he wanted to do his coding test. #2 I definitely got catfished but it was by another recruiter wh…

Maybe hire one of the devs you interact with to search for duplicates? Searching for duplicates substrings isn't necessarily something that could be done off the shelf but it shouldn't be too hard for a competent dev to get you a working process

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by hfdgiutdryg »

bduerst wrote: post #57
hfdgiutdryg wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Management lies to employees constantly. Sales lies to customers constantly. Why the sudden insistence on honesty?

So it's okay to lose an arm if you've already lost a leg? Because honesty is better than dishonesty?

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by hfdgiutdryg »

salvar wrote: post #63
hfdgiutdryg wrote: post #46

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Why? Management lies to employees constantly. Sales lies to customers constantly. Why the sudden insistence on honesty?

Do you feel disrespected when management lies to you?

I've been told that management is serving the best interests of the company, and therefore anything they do is justified. However, as a mere employee, it is wrong to apply the same logic to my own best interests.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by lovich »

wgerard wrote: post #105
noobermin wrote: post #74

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I don't know about you, but I couldn't finish the article. From the beginning, something irked me and it didn't feel like the author is completely innocent here. One thing that irked me a little is seeing the candidate worked at her previous company made her instantly like him. Once I got to the unnecessary admission the manager uses what even they consider as "unkosher" tactics to learn about the background of poten…

> One thing that irked me a little is seeing the candidate worked at her previous company made her instantly like him. I think that's a really hard bias to get over, even if people don't readily admit it like the author did. Presumably you have feelings about previous places you worked at, and thoughts about the general culture at them ("everyone was great!" or "that place was a dump!"). If you have strong feelings a…

I don't know that I've ever worked at a place that would bias Mr towards a candidate one way or another unless I worked with them. Either it was a small enough place that I knew everybody and could rate them based off of personal experience, or it was a big place and I don't know if this guy was on the team that wrote Project A which held the whole team back, or the guy on project B which had us getting new clients every week because it was made so well.

Just going, "oh he wored at the same company as me so I should like him" seems like a frat/sorority mentality

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by Retric »

hndl wrote: post #147
johnwh wrote: post #144

Backdoor references are very unethical in my opinion. Beyond the fact that you are telling a third party about someone’s job search without the searcher’s consent, you can also get a very biased opinion. My wife was fired from a job at a well known University in the area. She had 2 bosses in a year, one of them twice after coming back from prolonged mental health leave. Within a month of coming back my wife’s boss ha…

How does this work in the case when you're still employed at a current place and a looking to make a change? Edit - I think you mean doing a verification after an offer is put out.

Employment verification is common for things like loans, so in most organizations it does not stand out. It's also common for this to be farmed out to 3rd party companies at large companies to avoid the risk of lawsuits.

Re: I Got Catfished by a Candidate

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Post by keithnz »

navs wrote: post #86

sigh > Rule #2: Take a long hard look at a candidate’s social profiles. Is not having a LinkedIn account going to come back to bite me, even when applying for dev roles? I've had even senior devs at popular local dev shops say LinkedIn is a "necessary evil" because it: 1. is easy to grep 2. you can find whether a candidate has similar connections to you 3. recommendations I get New Zealand is small and the social gra…

I'm in NZ too, I vaugely put some stuff on my linkedin, but I don't use it and don't keep it up to date. When I recruit people, I wouldn't use linkedin at all. If I look at the people I'm linked to, who I know pretty well, the profiles almost have an inverse weighting. The averagish people I know seem to have extensive profiles with many connections, and with many bold claims of capability. The people who I think are seriously good often have seriously poor profiles ( of those that do have them ) and often only linked with whoever sent them requests. Maybe that's unique to software devs, or maybe it's unique to people I know, or maybe it's unique to my subjective opinion of other peoples capability. Either way, I really don't think too much of linkedin.
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