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Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by Qz »

beagle3 wrote: post #18
anigbrowl wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nonsensical faddish bullshit. Some ( So maybe Mr Ferris has this problem. That doesn't mean that everyone else does, though this isn't the first time I've seen someone with a digestive condition go on a crusade about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. I suggest you listen to your own body instead of attention-seeking pundits. We…

I discovered about 20 years ago that wheat products, and independently, yeast products (and especially bread which contains both) make me feel bad. Not throw-up bad or fever bad -- just bad, tired, puffed up. I've tried to get a diagnosis to no avail. Celiac was ruled out by lab testing, and as a result doctors started suggesting it might be a psychological problem. Me, I listen to my body. And re "nonsensical faddis…

Me, I listen to my body.

Yes, exactly. I've been doing this for years now, and it's worked well. The problem is that most/many people are pretty out of touch with their body, and getting in touch takes time and effort.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by commandar »

hugh3 wrote: post #16

The paleo diet is, I think, 99% bullshit combined with 1% right-for-the-wrong-reasons. That 1% does make it worth a look, though, and I personally have lost about 15 lb in the last twelve weeks by (more or less) following it. My BMI is down from 27.4 to 25.7, and I fully expect to get back into ideal weight range within another month or so. I went into it extremely skeptical of almost all the claims, but what I did b…

You might be interested in looking into the PaNu approach to paleo.[1] The author of that blog puts a lot of emphasis on focusing on metabolism rather than, as he puts it, food reenactment. e.g., dairy isn't strictly paleo, but he acknowledges that it's an easy way to up fat intake without the type of ill effects that you're more likely to see from glutens.

Worth checking out anyway. It's certainly changed the way I approach nutrition, even if I haven't bought into the paleo thing wholesale.

>I think it's a blood sugar effect -- all the food I eat is low in GI so I'm not getting the blood sugar spikes I used to.

Definitely agree here. I've noticed a definite shift in appetite since I've made a point of limiting my intake of high GI foods.

[1] - http://www.paleonu.com/

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by wvl »

ohmygodel wrote: post #15

I follow a paleo diet strictly on weekdays, and for probably 75% of my calories on weekends. I've been doing this for a few months. I'm basically doing this as an experiment - the argument that we should eat what we evolved eating is compelling as a general principle. I haven't lost or gained weight. My workouts haven't been much worse or much better. I don't notice a difference in energy levels, although I find it h…

From the article:

Now there is a caveat to this. You only need to be exposed to things like gluten once every ten to fifteen days to keep the gut damaged. This can bedevil people as they “cut back on gluten” but do not notice an improvement in their overall health. I’m sorry but there is not a pink “participant” ribbon given out for doing this “almost correctly.” You need to be 100 percent compliant for thirty days, then see how you do with reintroduction.

As for: Is it the fact that you are likely eating more fiber and nutrients? Is it a difference in blood sugar levels that you notice?

Those are both directly related to what you are eating. I feel better when my blood sugar levels don't spike -- which is why I'm eating paleo.

Also, you didn't really put for an argument as to why the advice to cut out foods then add them back in is bad. If your body has healed itself and is functioning great without grains, then you eat a big pizza -- you will almost surely see how it affects your system.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by techiferous »

ohmygodel wrote: post #15

I follow a paleo diet strictly on weekdays, and for probably 75% of my calories on weekends. I've been doing this for a few months. I'm basically doing this as an experiment - the argument that we should eat what we evolved eating is compelling as a general principle. I haven't lost or gained weight. My workouts haven't been much worse or much better. I don't notice a difference in energy levels, although I find it h…

"I follow a paleo diet strictly on weekdays, and for probably 75% of my calories on weekends."

What about the article's claim that you have to follow the diet 100% or it doesn't work?

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by wvl »

hugh3 wrote: post #16

The paleo diet is, I think, 99% bullshit combined with 1% right-for-the-wrong-reasons. That 1% does make it worth a look, though, and I personally have lost about 15 lb in the last twelve weeks by (more or less) following it. My BMI is down from 27.4 to 25.7, and I fully expect to get back into ideal weight range within another month or so. I went into it extremely skeptical of almost all the claims, but what I did b…

99% bullshit, really? It sounds like its working pretty well for you.

> If you don't need to lose weight I wouldn't recommend it, because frankly it's hard to eat enough paleo food to maintain weight while physically active.

It's really not hard to get plenty of calories -- those calories are just more likely to come from fat. Make sure you get enough protein (~1g/lb bodyweight), eat lots of veggies, then fill up on fat sources -- coconut oil, animal fats, nuts, olive oil, etc.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by ohmygodel »

InfinityX0 wrote: post #8

Here's the problem with diet studies in general - they take ages to pan out. Because of that, there's varying degrees of belief in whether or not something is correct or incorrect, and even in cases where some breakthrough has been made, it takes ages to determine whether or not the choice was a correct one or not. This is the same reason why certain food products sales largely come down to packaging - how can I real…

"I'm slightly ranting but I think, food wise, the best way to judge whether or not something is good for you is quite simply, how it makes you feel immediately afterwards... I really think it's that simple."

Sorry, this really doesn't make sense to me. Do you think people eat fatty, sugary, salty foods because it makes them feel bad? No, it makes them feel great.

But, you may say, that is only temporary pleasure. They won't feel great a few hours later when their blood sugar crashes. One should, you could argue, look at how you feel all day.

But then why stop at one day? Why not look at your happiness over years. Maybe that diet that makes you feel good during the day slowly causes a disease, such as cancer, that REALLY makes you feel bad later. This could, for example, be the effect of eating a lot of red meat.

"Eat what makes you feel good" is simple and appealing advice. Like most complex issues, however, a simple and appealing solution is not likely to be the best.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by hugh3 »

ohmygodel wrote: post #29
robchez wrote: post #20

I started the paleo diet about 6 months ago. In that time I lost about 18kg of fat easier than any other diet I have ever been on. My blood lipids (I was about to start statins for cholesterol) have all improved dramatically in this time, to the point where my doctor is now incredibly interested in the topic. My psoriasis and eczema have all cleaned up dramatically. The crossfit gym I go to has seen massive improveme…

I think it's irresponsible to recommend a diet to people that has little to no scientific support for the kinds of effects that you promise or imply: weight loss, improved physical and mental health, and longevity. In fact, some possible instantiations of the paleo diet are, I believe, currently considered unhealthy by the medical establishment, such as a diet high in saturated fats, cholesterol, and/or red meats. I…

I think it's irresponsible to recommend a diet to people that has little to no scientific support for the kinds of effects that you promise or imply: weight loss, improved physical and mental health, and longevity

Well, I'd say there's sufficient support for the "weight loss" bit since pretty much any non-crazy dietary restriction will lead to weight loss if it's maintained. As for other effects -- well, losing eighteen kilograms of fat ought to have a pretty positive impact on your longevity, and I can easily imagine it might decrease your anxiety too. I'm quite unconvinced about psoraisis and eczema, but... hey, he was quite clear on the fact that this was only anecdotal evidence with n=1.

As for why it's different to other possible dietary plans, I don't think it is, though it's potentially easier to get a balanced diet with a sensible caloric deficit from paleo than from veganism or raw food or Atkins.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by ohmygodel »

wvl wrote: post #33
ohmygodel wrote: post #15

I follow a paleo diet strictly on weekdays, and for probably 75% of my calories on weekends. I've been doing this for a few months. I'm basically doing this as an experiment - the argument that we should eat what we evolved eating is compelling as a general principle. I haven't lost or gained weight. My workouts haven't been much worse or much better. I don't notice a difference in energy levels, although I find it h…

From the article: Now there is a caveat to this. You only need to be exposed to things like gluten once every ten to fifteen days to keep the gut damaged. This can bedevil people as they “cut back on gluten” but do not notice an improvement in their overall health. I’m sorry but there is not a pink “participant” ribbon given out for doing this “almost correctly.” You need to be 100 percent compliant for thirty days,…

If you consume something out of the ordinary, your body is not used to digesting it. For example, the necessary enzymes and bacteria are not likely to be in large supply. Also, you may be hyper- or hypo- sensitive to neurotransmitters (like dopamine) that are released in reponse to the chemicals that are unusually present in the foreign food.

Cut out vegetables from your diet, for example, and you will experience serious intestinal distress when you reintroduce them.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by techiferous »

chipsy wrote: post #26
annajohnson wrote: post #3

Do a search on the Internet and you'll find more arguments - from highly credentialed doctors and nutritionists along with plenty of unqualified 'diet fundamentalists' - for and against the idea that gluten is the culprit behind so many health issues. Personally, I really DO feel fine on a largely Mediterranean diet complete with plenty of bread and pasta. I'm also fit and actually underweight (according to BMI calcu…

The real choice here is whether to live with an "average diet" and thus face average risk rates, or experiment on yourself and try to improve your chances. Paleo targets overall health, not specifically fat reduction or cardiovascular health. That means that one of its goals is to reduce or eliminate things like long-term degenerative diseases or psychological problems, things which we decided, a long, long time ago,…

"The popular tendency to emphasize vegetables and/or fruits in diet holds a lot of commercial appeal...but it's a form of feel-good bikeshedding."

As I understand it, there is a good bit of science supporting the healthfulness of fresh fruits and vegetables (but not necessarily the processed fruits you referred to).

For example, the Healthy Eating Pyramid recommends a diet based on the latest scientific research and notice how fruits and vegetables are emphasized: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-...

Also the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute of Cancer Research published Food, Nutrition and the Prevention of Cancer: a global perspective which found much evidence in favor of fruits and vegetables for the prevention of cancer.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by robchez »

ohmygodel wrote: post #29
robchez wrote: post #20

I started the paleo diet about 6 months ago. In that time I lost about 18kg of fat easier than any other diet I have ever been on. My blood lipids (I was about to start statins for cholesterol) have all improved dramatically in this time, to the point where my doctor is now incredibly interested in the topic. My psoriasis and eczema have all cleaned up dramatically. The crossfit gym I go to has seen massive improveme…

I think it's irresponsible to recommend a diet to people that has little to no scientific support for the kinds of effects that you promise or imply: weight loss, improved physical and mental health, and longevity. In fact, some possible instantiations of the paleo diet are, I believe, currently considered unhealthy by the medical establishment, such as a diet high in saturated fats, cholesterol, and/or red meats. I…

Sorry I don't have time to find all my links as I am at work on my lunchbreak but here are a few.

Weight Loss As the Paleo diet is by nature pretty low-carbohydrate:

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0708681

Longevity:

Cancer Patterns in Inuits - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18760245

This William Lands paper - http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/83/6/S1483.pdf

Medical Establishment:

Good Calories, Bad Calories goes deep into the reasons why the medical establishment considers saturdated fat, cholesterol, red meat unhealthy. Have a quick skim of the cliffs notes.

Dr Barry Groves - Cholesterol Myth - http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cholesterol_myth_1.html

More Sources:

Stephan Guyenet - B. Bio Chemistry - http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/

Dr Michael Eades - http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/

Dr William Davis - Cardiologist - http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/

Robb Wolf - Research Biochemist - http://robbwolf.com/

Prof. Loren Cordain - http://www.thepaleodiet.com/

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