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How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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I submitted this because I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible. I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. So my oatmeal breakfast is bad now and I should go back to bacon and eggs? sigh. Has anyone tried this paleo business, and to what effect? edit: and more importantly, I should have added, is there science behind it? Shame on me.

Dr Kurt Harris, MD writes a great blog about Paleo Nutrition that you may find useful:

http://www.paleonu.com/get-started

When it comes to nutrition, I'd also recommend foregoing science when studies aren't available (gasp) and, as InfinityX0 suggested, try different things and do what works best for you.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Do a search on the Internet and you'll find more arguments - from highly credentialed doctors and nutritionists along with plenty of unqualified 'diet fundamentalists' - for and against the idea that gluten is the culprit behind so many health issues. Personally, I really DO feel fine on a largely Mediterranean diet complete with plenty of bread and pasta. I'm also fit and actually underweight (according to BMI calcu…

>why did the obesity crisis only come about in the last part of 20th century

I can guess at two factors. Firstly, food started to get really cheap in the 1960s.

Secondly, and not entirely unrelatedly, since that time we haven't suffered a major war or plague. (Up till this point, European history had more or less consisted of wars and plagues.)

Instead people have enjoyed prosperity with more and more attendant consumption, not just of food, but of entertainment and culture.

Here's the potentially controversial bit: in my experience, cultural consumption is enhanced by 'lower level' consumption such as eating rich food and drinking coffee and alcohol. The reason these help is (paradoxically) because they distress the body, causing the brain to compensate by secreting natural sedatives.

These in turn allow the mind to race, temporarily free from the constraints of fear and worry. Gluten, being a lectin, is a stressor of animal intestines. Hence bread, cakes and pasta serve admirably in this regard.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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I follow a paleo diet strictly on weekdays, and for probably 75% of my calories on weekends. I've been doing this for a few months. I'm basically doing this as an experiment - the argument that we should eat what we evolved eating is compelling as a general principle.

I haven't lost or gained weight. My workouts haven't been much worse or much better. I don't notice a difference in energy levels, although I find it harder to ignore hunger now. My major impressions are that a paleo diet is expensive and inconvenient.

This is just my experience. The scientific arguments that I've seen made follow the general pattern of this article: neolithic foods contain chemicals (e.g. lectins, phytates, etc.) that are bad for our bodies.

These kinds of arguments are extremely unconvincing. Digestion and metabolism involves thousands of chemicals and reactions. Trying to piece together how it works is important, but a couple isolated components are not nearly enough with which to make judgements for your health.

Arguments from personal experience are even worse. If you "feel better" on the diet, are you sure it's the diet? Is it the placebo effect? Is it the fact that you are likely eating more fiber and nutrients? Is it a difference in blood sugar levels that you notice? Even worse, is the advice to cut out foods, and then test how those foods make you feel when reintroduced. Any change can easily be interpreted negatively. Also, your body has adjusted to the new foods (which quite likely caused their own painful adjustment period).

Good arguments would make actual health claims, such as 1. The chance that you develop heart disease will fall. 2. The chance that you develop cancer will fall. 3. The diet will prevent some other diseases (e.g. diabetes). 4. Some specific symptoms from some specific diseases will lessen.

Currently, this whole fad seems like a big echo chamber of people seeing exactly what they want to see.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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The paleo diet is, I think, 99% bullshit combined with 1% right-for-the-wrong-reasons. That 1% does make it worth a look, though, and I personally have lost about 15 lb in the last twelve weeks by (more or less) following it. My BMI is down from 27.4 to 25.7, and I fully expect to get back into ideal weight range within another month or so.

I went into it extremely skeptical of almost all the claims, but what I did buy was the claim that you feel a lot more full after eating a meal of meat and vegetables than you do after a meal rich in grains and potatoes. So I tried it, and lo and behold I find it quite easy to eat as much as I feel like of all the allowed foods and still consume only ~2000 calories a day.

I also find that I no longer have any craving for anything sweeter than fruit, whereas I used to be able to talk myself into milkshakes and brownies with excessive frequency. I think it's a blood sugar effect -- all the food I eat is low in GI so I'm not getting the blood sugar spikes I used to. This effect might be specific to me personally, though.

The fact that the diet supposedly replicates what our distant ancestors ate is important only in that it at least guarantees that you're eating a subset of foods that are nutritionally sufficient.

Other side effects? None that I've noticed, neither good nor bad. It's possible I've felt a little bit more tired, but I can't be sure... and in any case that's not unexpected if you're maintaining a 500-calorie-a-day deficit.

I should also mention that I'm not quite strict paleo because I eat moderate amounts of dairy -- I'll be damned if I'm giving up milk in my coffee. Speaking of which, I'll be damned if I'm gonna give up coffee, which is also non-paleo. And I'm not one to panic if a salad happens to have croutons, or my fish happens to be crumbed. But breads, potatoes, sugar and beans/legumes are out (I don't buy the logic behind exclusion of beans, but I never really liked beans anyway).

In conclusion, it's not a miracle and it's not nearly as amazing as its most far-out proponents claim, but if you need to lose some weight it's worth trying out for a couple of weeks to see what happens (maybe your body chemistry is different to mine, so it might not work for you). If you don't need to lose weight I wouldn't recommend it, because frankly it's hard to eat enough paleo food to maintain weight while physically active. When I've lost enough I think I'll reintroduce grains at breakfast and maybe lunch but keep the paleo dinners.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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post #11
post #2

I submitted this because I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible. I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. So my oatmeal breakfast is bad now and I should go back to bacon and eggs? sigh. Has anyone tried this paleo business, and to what effect? edit: and more importantly, I should have added, is there science behind it? Shame on me.

Dr Kurt Harris, MD writes a great blog about Paleo Nutrition that you may find useful: http://www.paleonu.com/get-started When it comes to nutrition, I'd also recommend foregoing science when studies aren't available (gasp) and, as InfinityX0 suggested, try different things and do what works best for you.

"Let's try it and see what happens" really is the core of science, all the complicated shit is just figuring out the most useful "it" to try and being extra certain that the "what happens" really was due to the "it" that you tried.

Foregoing science would mean deciding whether it works based on what your astrologer or the most recent "expert" says, rather than whether it can actually be observed (apparently) working.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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I submitted this because I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible. I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. So my oatmeal breakfast is bad now and I should go back to bacon and eggs? sigh. Has anyone tried this paleo business, and to what effect? edit: and more importantly, I should have added, is there science behind it? Shame on me.

It's nonsensical faddish bullshit. Some ( So maybe Mr Ferris has this problem. That doesn't mean that everyone else does, though this isn't the first time I've seen someone with a digestive condition go on a crusade about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. I suggest you listen to your own body instead of attention-seeking pundits. We…

I discovered about 20 years ago that wheat products, and independently, yeast products (and especially bread which contains both) make me feel bad. Not throw-up bad or fever bad -- just bad, tired, puffed up.

I've tried to get a diagnosis to no avail. Celiac was ruled out by lab testing, and as a result doctors started suggesting it might be a psychological problem.

Me, I listen to my body.

And re "nonsensical faddish bullshit", that describes practically all accepted nutritional science these days. The "calories in - calories out" lacks any scientific basis, and is disproved in just about every experiment -- yet it is somehow considered true.

Personally, I consider this anecdotal theory just as valid as what your average nutritionist would tell you.

(References: Taubes "Good Calories, Bad Calories"; Roberts "What makes food fattening"; Cabanac)

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Call me crazy but the book linked at the end of the article was published September 14th and there are already 40 five star reviews posted. Which given the idea that it's 'diet' lifestyle change would mean time would be needed to actually see if the content pans out. I start feeling iffy any time another 'this food is bad' book comes along and with those reviews, that puts it into the questionable category.

Robb Wolf has been writing about nutrition and doing nutrition seminars for many years now. Many people have recommended and advocated for the high quality articles and podcasts he has written and put out there. So, it is completely understandable that anyone who has preordered the book (myself included, should get it tomorrow) will read and review it to help boost sales of the book (and the message it contains).

Besides, this is not a "this food is bad" diet scheme at all. This book is just the first, updated, all in one place, quality description of what paleo means.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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I started the paleo diet about 6 months ago. In that time I lost about 18kg of fat easier than any other diet I have ever been on. My blood lipids (I was about to start statins for cholesterol) have all improved dramatically in this time, to the point where my doctor is now incredibly interested in the topic. My psoriasis and eczema have all cleaned up dramatically. The crossfit gym I go to has seen massive improvements in lifting etc once people went paleo. And I am finally off the Prozac for anxiety. Needless to say, for the population of n=1, this experiment worked wonders. I know a lot of people won’t take this anecdotal evidence, but if you jump into any of the many paleo forums, you will hear stories like this all the time. If you want a serious easy to follow, health improvement, I highly suggest this diet.

For more resources on the topic I suggest a few books.

http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/ - Primal Body Primal Mind by Nora Gedgaudas – Lots of science.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/ - Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson – Lot more accessible. Give it to your parents etc.

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Gary-Taubes/dp/14000... - Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes – Very long, but explains where the American Dietary guidelines came from and why they are wrong. (Cliffs notes: http://higher-thought.net/complete-notes-to-good-calories-ba... )

Some excellent blogs/websites:

http://www.paleonu.com/

http://freetheanimal.com/

http://www.westonaprice.org/

http://www.paleoz.com/

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