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Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#71
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There is one sure way, and it’s a test of your fortitude. You find a a college textbook with the answers to the even-numbered problems in the back. You sit down in a warm or hot room, and solve them. If the textbook is in its 4th printing or so, the answers are correct. On a few, you’ll have to work for hours. Now here is a very, very, important point. All the learning occurs on the problems you struggle with. In the…

> If the textbook is in its 4th printing or so, the answers are correct It's terrifying that it takes 4 printings before the answers should be considered trustworthy...

Do you write bug free code?

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#72
I enjoyed reading the No Bullshit Guide to Math and Physics: https://gumroad.com/l/noBSmath It's a brief overview but covers a lot of topics. The author's writing style and the book's layout worked well for me.

The same person wrote a book for linear algebra as well but I have not read it: https://gumroad.com/l/noBSLA

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#73
Here's how I would do it, my 2 cents:

1) Find a good source of information --- typically, this is either very good lectures (like on youtube), a good textbook, or good lecture notes.

2) Do problems. There is a fairly large gap between those that just watch the lectures and those that have sat down and try to go through each and every step of the logic, and that's what everyone here (on HN) is pointing out when they similarly mention doing problems.

2b) Have solutions to those problems. I make this a separate point because it's important to spend quality time on a problem yourself before looking at the solutions. At the end of the day, if you read the problems and then the solution right away, that's much closer to reading the textbook itself instead of the more rigorous learning one goes through when trying things themselves.

If you were to ask me what textbooks or lectures I recommend, I think that's a more personal question than many here might guess. What topics are you most interested in? Are you really just solely interested in a solid background? How patient are you when doing problems?

Regardless, I'll give my two cents for textbooks anyway. In no particular order:

1) Griffiths E&M: https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Electrodynamics-David-J-...

2) Axler, Linear Algebra Done Right: https://www.amazon.com/Linear-Algebra-Right-Undergraduate-Ma...

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#75
post #27

There is one sure way, and it’s a test of your fortitude. You find a a college textbook with the answers to the even-numbered problems in the back. You sit down in a warm or hot room, and solve them. If the textbook is in its 4th printing or so, the answers are correct. On a few, you’ll have to work for hours. Now here is a very, very, important point. All the learning occurs on the problems you struggle with. In the…

I agree with this suggestion. It took me a year to slowly absorb the entire book of Statistics [0] including solving all exercises. It's just like walking to school but there is no external supervision. I made a rule to complete one chapter every evening including exercises and sticked to it.

[0]: https://www.amazon.com/Statistics-4th-David-Freedman/dp/0393...

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#76
Getting the right material to study is only small part of it. The real difficult part is finding all the time it takes and also finding company that has similar interest and is willing to invest time seriously with you. I struggled with the latter part. It is very frustrating to not be able to ask someone if what I am doing is right or not.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#77
The best route is a community college. You can get most of this through a CC. Some offer discrete math, not many offer graph theory, and you probably won't get much astro (but you can get astronomy) or string theory from them. But it is good to get academic contacts who can give you direction. Someone who personally understands your drive and work ethic will have a better ability to give you suggestions. So this is my number one suggestion.

If you want to self learn, well let's go through some books and then youtube channels.

Books: Missing Discrete and Graph Theory

(You can get previous versions to save money. The content of these is mostly the same). Mostly in order of level (math then physics)

Calculus: Stewart's Calculus[1] (this is pretty much the standard) This has calc 1,2, and 3 (multi variable)

Linear Algebra: David Lay [2]. Start sometime after calc 2 (series problems). This will start you on some optimization and constraint solving. Stress learning eigen values/vectors and least squares. I don't have a good level 2 book, but that would mean looking into coordinate transformations, QR decomposition, and some more stuff.

Differential Equations: Blanchard Differential equations [3]. You will need diff eq to gain a true appreciation for physics. You will also gain a lot of the pre-req's for optimization and constraint solving.

Physics: Halliday and Resnik[4] is one of my favorites. But this is the lower college level (3 courses: Classical, E&M, Rel/quant). If you are relearning you can skip to below (though you might struggle a little more) Req: Taken or taking Calc 1 (differentiation and integration required later)

Classical Dynamics: Thornton[5] You will learn A LOT about constraint, optimization, and simple harmonic motion (necessary!!). You will also learn about Hamiltonian Systems. (1.5 courses) Req: Diff Eq, Calc 3

Electrodynamics: Griffiths [6]. Another standard. You won't find a better book than this for E&M. (1.5 courses) Req: Diff Eq, Calc 3

Quantum Mechanics: Griffiths [7] (He's the man, seriously) (1.5 courses) Req: Diff Eq, Calc 3 (lin algebra is nice, same with a tad of group theory)

Astrophysics: BOB [8] Lovingly called the "Big Orange Book" you will see this on every astrophysicists' shelves. (2+ courses) Req: Calc 1

Particle Physics: That's right! You guessed it! Griffiths![9] Take after QM.

Youtube:

BlackPenRedPen[10]: Fantastic teacher. He will help you with calc and help you understand a lot of tricks that you might not see in the above books. I can't stress enough that you should watch him.

Go find MIT OCWs, I'm not going to list them.

Honorable mentions: 3Blue1Brown[11], Numberphile[12], Veritasium[13], StandUpMaths[14], SmarterEveryDay[15]. All these people talk about some neat concepts that will help you gain more interest and think about things to pursue. But they are not course channels, they are much more casual (somewhere between what you'd see on the Discovery Channel and a classroom, more towards the latter).

Addendum:

> I follow a bunch of folks on the internet and idolize them for their multifaceted personalities

Don't stress too much about being like those people you idolize. I guarantee that you see them as much more intelligent people than they are or think of (not dissing on them, but we tend to put these people on pedestals and this is a big contributor to Imposter Syndrome. Which WILL have, probably already does, an effect on your learning process). Don't compare yourself. You can get to most of these peoples' levels by just doing an hour or two a day for a few years.

> I can totally see that these are the folks who have high IQs and they can easily learn a new domain in a few months if they were put in one.

This is a skill. A trainable skill. Just remember that. Some people are much more proficient at it, but I be you'll see that they have much more experience. In music you sight read. Doing the same thing with math, physics, engineering, etc will result in the same increase in talent.

[1] https://smile.amazon.com/Calculus-Early-Transcendentals-Jame...

[2] https://smile.amazon.com/Linear-Algebra-Its-Applications-3rd...

[3] https://smile.amazon.com/Differential-Equations-Tools-Printe...

[4] https://smile.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Physics-David-Halliday...

[5] https://smile.amazon.com/Classical-Dynamics-Particles-System...

[6] https://smile.amazon.com/Introduction-Electrodynamics-David-...

[7] https://smile.amazon.com/Introduction-Quantum-Mechanics-Davi...

[8] https://smile.amazon.com/Introduction-Modern-Astrophysics-Br...

[9] https://smile.amazon.com/Introduction-Elementary-Particles-D...

[10] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_SvYP0k05UKiJ_2ndB02IA

[11] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYO_jab_esuFRV4b17AJtAw

[12]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoxcjq-8xIDTYp3uz647V5A

[13] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHnyfMqiRRG1u-2MsSQLbXA

[14] https://www.youtube.com/user/standupmaths

[15] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6107grRI4m0o2-emgoDnAA

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#78
Music:

Get a piano, look up the basics of how to read music, find the keys on the piano, see my post on music theory and the Bach cello piece, get a recording of some relatively simple music you do like, get the sheet music, and note by note learn to play it. After 3-4 such pieces, get an hour of piano instruction and continue on.

Violin: Much the same except need more help at the start. From my music theory post, learn how to tune a violin. Get a good shoulder rest -- the most popular is, IIRC, from Sweden and is excellent. Look at images of violinists and see what rests they are using. Get Ivan Galamian's book on violin. Start in the key of A major and then branch out to E major and D major. Get some good advice on how to hold the violin and the bow; look at pictures of Heifetz, etc. Learn some scales and some simple pieces, get some lessons, and continue.

Math: High school 1st and 2nd year algebra, plane geometry (with proofs), trigonometry, and hopefully also solid geometry. Standard analytic geometry and calculus of one variable.

For calculus of several variables and vector analysis, I strongly recommend

Tom M.\ Apostol, {\it Mathematical Analysis: A Modern Approach to Advanced Calculus,\/} Addison-Wesley, Reading, Massachusetts, 1957.\ \

Get a used copy -- I did. Actually, it's not "modern" and instead is close to what you will see and need in applications in physics and engineering. There, relax any desire for really careful proofs; really careful proofs with high generality are too hard, and the generality is nearly never even relevant in applications so far. Maybe do the material again if want to do quantum gravity at the center of black holes or some such; otherwise, just stay with what Apostol has. For exterior algebra of differential forms, try hard enough to be successful ignoring that stuff unless you later insist on high end approaches to differential geometry and relativity theory.

Linear algebra, done at least twice and more likely several times. Start with a really easy book that starts with just Gauss elimination for systems of linear equations -- actually a huge fraction of the whole subject builds on just that, and that is close to dirt simple once you see it.

Continue with an intermediate text. I used E. Nearing, student of Artin at Princeton. Nearing was good but had a bit too much, and his appendix on linear programming was curious but otherwise awful -- linear programming can be made dirt simple, mostly just Gauss elimination tweaked a little.

Mostly you want linear algebra over just the real or complex numbers, but nearly all the subject can also be done over any algebraic field -- Nearing does this. Actually, might laugh at linear algebra done over finite fields, but the laughter is not really justified: E.g., algebraic coding theory, e.g., R. Hamming, used finite fields. But if you just stay with the real and complex numbers, likely you will be fine and can go back to Nearing or some such later if wish.

So, concentrate on eigen values and eigen vectors, the standard inner product, orthogonality, the Gram-Schmidt process, orthogonal, unitary, symmetric, and Hermitian matrices. The mountain peak is the polar decomposition and then singular value decomposition, etc. Start to make the connections with convexity and the normal equations in multi-variate statistics, principle components, factor analysis, data compression, etc.

Then, of course, go for P. Halmos, Finite Dimensional Vector Spaces, grand stuff, written as an introduction to Hilbert space theory at the knee of von Neumann. Used in Harvard's Math 55. Commonly given to physics students as their source on Hilbert space for quantum mechanics. Likely save the chapter on multi-linear algebra for later!

For more, get into numerical methods and applications. You can do linear programming, non-linear programming, group representation theory, multi-variate Newton iteration, differential geometry. Do look at W. Fleming, Functions of Several Variables and there the inverse and implicit function theorems and their applications to Lagrange multipliers and the eigenvalues of symmetric or Hermitian matrices. The inverse and implicit function theorems are just local, non-linear versions of what you will see with total clarity at the end of applying Gauss elimination in the linear case.

Physics

Work through a famous text of freshman physics and then one or more of the relatively elementary books on E&M and Maxwell's equations. Don't get stuck: Physics people commonly do math in really obscure ways; mostly they are thinking intuitively; generally you can just set aside after a first reading what they write, lean back, think a little about what they likely really do mean, derive a little, and THEN actually understand. E.g., in changing the coordinates of the gradient of a function, that's not what they are doing! Instead they are getting the gradient of a surface, NOT the function, as the change the coordinates of the surface. They are thinking about the surface, not the function of the surface in rectangular coordinates.

For more than that, you will have to start to specialize. Currently a biggie is a lot in probability theory. There the crown jewels are the classic limit theorems, that is, when faced with a lot of randomness, can make the randomness go away and also say a lot about it.

For modern probability, that is based on the 1900 or so approach to the integral of calculus, the approach due to H. Lebesgue and called measure theory. In the simple cases, it's just the same, gives the same numerical values for, the integral of freshman calculus but otherwise is much more powerful and general. One result of the generality is that it gives, via A. Kolomogorov in 1933, the currently accepted approach to advanced probability, stochastic processes, and statistics.

That's a start.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#80
post #17

Watch the 3Blue1Brown YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYO_jab_esuFRV4b17AJtAw These videos are frankly better explanation of college-level math concepts than most college classes. Also, now you probably care much more about the intuitions of mathematics over the raw mechanics of it. Once again, this channel perfectly exemplifies this concept.

It is important to really pause the videos at some points and do the "exercises". Doing the exercises is always a very important part of learning (I believe this holds in any field). Do them with pen and paper, not just in your head.
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