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Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#41
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For motivation, if there is a nearby university, start attending the relevant departments' colloquia. They are generally open to all, and will start to get you up to date on what's new across all of math/physics. My favorite undergraduate students when I was TA'ing were all students who had returned to school after spending time in the world. They knew why they were there, knew that the material was worth learning, a…

This will expose you to cutting edge research going on. But I disagree entirely on this approach to learning fundamentals of math and physics.

The colloquia are usually very subject specific. When I did my PhD in condensed matter physics, depending on the speaker, sometimes it could be 10 minutes into the lecture when it delves into narrow field-specific material I don’t understand (eg, a speaker talking about particle physics or astrophysics). Good speakers and even non-physicists can follow the whole talk regardless of subject matter. But good speakers are rare. And colloquia are typically for benefit of the department (students + faculty), so will quickly gloss over fundamentals into the real meat.

So you might learn about super cool research happening, which is great. But you aren’t likely to learn key fundamentals.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#42
post #17

Watch the 3Blue1Brown YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYO_jab_esuFRV4b17AJtAw These videos are frankly better explanation of college-level math concepts than most college classes. Also, now you probably care much more about the intuitions of mathematics over the raw mechanics of it. Once again, this channel perfectly exemplifies this concept.

These videos are posted any time linear algebra is mentioned. I find it almost comical at this point. What good is this intuition? I struggle to understand the value that these videos bring, but I'm not saying there is no value. I'm just lost, and kind of jealous because I need a deep understanding of linear algebra for work.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#43
post #27

There is one sure way, and it’s a test of your fortitude. You find a a college textbook with the answers to the even-numbered problems in the back. You sit down in a warm or hot room, and solve them. If the textbook is in its 4th printing or so, the answers are correct. On a few, you’ll have to work for hours. Now here is a very, very, important point. All the learning occurs on the problems you struggle with. In the…

> If the textbook is in its 4th printing or so, the answers are correct

It's terrifying that it takes 4 printings before the answers should be considered trustworthy...

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#44
post #28

I'm writing a book called "A Programmer's Introduction to Mathematics". Would you like to see a draft? Shoot me an email at mathintersectprogramming@gmail.com It's an introduction to mathematics from a programmer's standpoint, with a big focus on taste and that second level of intuition beyond rote manipulation and memorization. Includes chapters on sets, graphs, calculus, linear algebra, and more! Each chapter has a…

I can recommend anything Jeremy does, sight unseen. Take him up on his offer.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#45

What works for me is purchasing and reading textbooks (look for online college syllabuses for good ones). Probably the best way to read maths texts is to work the problems, but what I do is read it through once or twice. Then switch to a different text on the same subject. Things will slowly start to click, although of course you don't understand something until you can explain it (i.e. write a blog post about it) to…

> purchasing and reading textbooks

Plus, you can get really, REALLY good deals on used college textbooks (some of which are still in pristine - as in never even been opened - condition).

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#46
post #27

There is one sure way, and it’s a test of your fortitude. You find a a college textbook with the answers to the even-numbered problems in the back. You sit down in a warm or hot room, and solve them. If the textbook is in its 4th printing or so, the answers are correct. On a few, you’ll have to work for hours. Now here is a very, very, important point. All the learning occurs on the problems you struggle with. In the…

Seconded. I really believe there are no shortcuts to doing lots of problems. If you can afford it, getting a physics grad student to discuss problems that stumped you every now and then might also have quite good ROI, talking to physicists might also help convey some of the physics mindset(?).

Reading this made me nostalgic for my days as a physics undergrad.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#47
I'm taking you at your word and assuming you truly want to reach the cutting edge of knowledge and learn things like QFT, Gauge Theory, String Theory, etc. alongside the math needed for it.

This is a long-term project, so I'd recommend by starting a bit with "learning about learning". There is a great, fairly short Coursera course called "learning how to learn".

Things not covered in the above course: - Your learning ability is not actually much lower in your 30s than it was in your 20s. You have a relatively benign rate of learning decline, until your late 50s / early 60s, when it drops quite a bit. You can still learn a lot, but it's meaningfully harder. (learning rate != thinking rate / creation rate!!)

You'll likely be able to write good papers into your late 60s, and perhaps 70s. There are exceptions and people who do significant work even later, but that's more unlikely.

When I started learning stuff again in my late 20s, I felt frustrated because I'd take a couple courses over a year, and by the time the year's over, I'd forget the first one. We all know what this feels like - we've forgotten most of what we've learned in college that we don't use in our profession.

When I was a teenager, I had great recall for things I've learned only once or twice. I didn't realize this was unusual and thought I got very bad at learning. In fact, the vast majority of people, including high IQ people, will need spaced repetition and study to retain things for a long period.

I'd recommend the following "schedule" to absorb things into y memory permanently. (By "learn" I mean read, do problems, write summaries.. it's a wide range):

Days to repeat: 0 (initial learning), 1, 6, 15, 37, 93, 234, 586, 1464, 3662, 9155

This would suggest interleaving classes instead of learning things sequentially for optimal time management. It's also a bigger time investment than people usually think of upfront, but pays dividends later on as the material builds-up like a cathedral of knowledge.

Like other commenters I'll also repeat: Do problems, problems, problems. The struggle is where the learning happens.

On the other hand, I wouldn't worry too much about super-high IQ etc. I don't think it's a strict requirement to have an extraordinary IQ to learn grad school physics and math.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#48
post #28

I'm writing a book called "A Programmer's Introduction to Mathematics". Would you like to see a draft? Shoot me an email at mathintersectprogramming@gmail.com It's an introduction to mathematics from a programmer's standpoint, with a big focus on taste and that second level of intuition beyond rote manipulation and memorization. Includes chapters on sets, graphs, calculus, linear algebra, and more! Each chapter has a…

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Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#49
I went back to school in my late 20s for this. Ultimately what everyone says is true, you learn the stuff by doing problems and at the end of the day lectures are of marginal use and really the learning happens when it's you and the textbook(s).

I personally went back to school because it was a way of putting pressure on myself. There's a lot of boring drills before it gets particularly interesting. The biggest value of school/coursework for me was the fact that it was a declaration of "I am going to do this now, and there are external motivators (grades, exams) to ensure that I stay on track."

That said, if I had it to do over again, for the money I spent, I wonder if hiring a graduate students/postdocs or even professors as tutors would have been better. I suppose that even then, when the material gets boring or time consuming it's easy to walk away, whereas if you invest time and money into a class you basically are in good shape to shame yourself into succeeding. (plus being in the academic environment helps to get a better sense of the broader landscape of material)

Maybe you could find a buddy to work with, like people do with the gym or whatever to shame each other into staying on task.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#50
post #17

Watch the 3Blue1Brown YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYO_jab_esuFRV4b17AJtAw These videos are frankly better explanation of college-level math concepts than most college classes. Also, now you probably care much more about the intuitions of mathematics over the raw mechanics of it. Once again, this channel perfectly exemplifies this concept.

These videos are posted any time linear algebra is mentioned. I find it almost comical at this point. What good is this intuition? I struggle to understand the value that these videos bring, but I'm not saying there is no value. I'm just lost, and kind of jealous because I need a deep understanding of linear algebra for work.

Those are good videos, and I also endorse them. However, you will not truly know what is going on until you solve some real problems with them.

One interesting option that computer programmers have to understand linear algebra that most people do not is that you could go do some stuff with computer graphics. Grab three.js, and then once you've followed some tutorial somewhere to get a triangle on the screen, start doing things, but do them manually, including implementing matrix multiplication yourself. Modern graphics has moved so far up the stack nowadays that you probably shouldn't say that you "know 3D graphics" after that exercise, because you'll know 3D graphics circa 1995. But you will have a much better intuition for linear algebra, and those videos will either make sense, or be trivially obvious to you.

(One of the reasons why the linear algebra videos can be so helpful is that it has historically been very easy to take an entire class on the topic and just grind numbers, without ever getting to that level of intuition. Differential equations, if you took physics that did not use them, can have a very similar problem, where you just grind through problems for a semester with no motivation.)

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