Can we stop repeating the same thing over and over again? We're all well aware that it's something everyone wants except those who stand to make money off of it.
Mozilla Fights for Net Neutrality This May (and Always)
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Re: Mozilla Fights for Net Neutrality This May (and Always)
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Free markets only work when there's competition. A powerful (oligopolistic) corporation can set low prices / reduce margins in order to prevent other potential companies to enter into the market. And they are also pushed to innovate
Someone can't just "enter" the internet service market. It takes billions of dollars. All the incumbent has to do is temporarily lower prices to keep people from switching and raise prices again once the new player goes bankrupt.
Re: Mozilla Fights for Net Neutrality This May (and Always)
#93I still find it amazing that everything has degraded from the independent hacker culture of the 90s to continually begging for the government to control and regulate the Internet. If you ever posted “what the Internet could really use is for the US Congress to control it!” to Usenet or 1999 Slashdot you would have gotten flamed to a crisp. I mean, God knows I’m not going to use a Google product, so I’m sticking with…
What I find amazing is that there are still people on this planet who oppose anything a government does, so they end up at the perils of corporations. I guess, according to you, GDPR is also a Bad Thing (tm)? Hint: it is a response to an industry which failed to regulate itself. When corporations cannot manage themselves, the government must interact by rule of law. An example of that is the sale of frequencies such…
Hint: maybe stop being condescending.
Also, I'm from EU and I'm split on GDPR. On one side I acknowledge its benefits and where it's coming from (the industry is known for highly morally dubious practices), on the other hand I don't agree on principle with the implication that users don't/can't have free will to enter into (however unfair) contracts these companies wish to use.
Re: Mozilla Fights for Net Neutrality This May (and Always)
#94I still find it amazing that everything has degraded from the independent hacker culture of the 90s to continually begging for the government to control and regulate the Internet. If you ever posted “what the Internet could really use is for the US Congress to control it!” to Usenet or 1999 Slashdot you would have gotten flamed to a crisp. I mean, God knows I’m not going to use a Google product, so I’m sticking with…
What I find amazing is that there are still people on this planet who oppose anything a government does, so they end up at the perils of corporations. I guess, according to you, GDPR is also a Bad Thing (tm)? Hint: it is a response to an industry which failed to regulate itself. When corporations cannot manage themselves, the government must interact by rule of law. An example of that is the sale of frequencies such…
it is a response to an industry which failed to regulate itself
Pretty much everything websites do with your data are from voluntary exchange. We decide to subscribe to a website a visit it regularly and give to it your data. We decide to surf some website without ad blockers / web trackers extensions, and we don't want to pay for social medias and some of us actually like well targeted ads. I fail to see what the corps should have done to regulate themselvesRe: Mozilla Fights for Net Neutrality This May (and Always)
#95I still find it amazing that everything has degraded from the independent hacker culture of the 90s to continually begging for the government to control and regulate the Internet. If you ever posted “what the Internet could really use is for the US Congress to control it!” to Usenet or 1999 Slashdot you would have gotten flamed to a crisp. I mean, God knows I’m not going to use a Google product, so I’m sticking with…
If I pirate your software, or use your patents,trademarks, copyrights then the companies,startups will appeal to government to put me in place instead of appealing to free market. So maybe some rules,laws are needed, just that the ones you do not agree are bad and the ones you agree with are essential. Didn't you hear in school a story where some guys went to live in a forest and they agreed to have no rules, then so…
If I pirate your software, or use your patents,trademarks, copyrights then the companies,startups will appeal to government to put me in place instead of appealing to free market.
Depends on the jurisdiction of your his company and yours. It might well happen that Asian companies are stealing our technologies and we let them do that, and let our fellow citizens buy their cheap products. It's all about voluntarily exchange, and as long as governments impose monopolies on usage of force and on judicial systems you are bound to rely on the governments to protect your so-called intellectual property rights.I doubt there were IP rights back in the days for hammer, wheels, farming tools etc..
Re: Mozilla Fights for Net Neutrality This May (and Always)
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
The internet has always been controlled by the government from day 1. And while you may wish to work toward a more independent net, wishing won't make it so overnight. We've go to do what we can with what we've got. Local governments make deals with ISPs to get coverage to a certain % of the population in exchange for exclusivity. Adding NN to the deal is just negotiating terms in an existing agreement. If we had a f…
> If we had a freeR market or some competition that might be a better way to get what we want, but we don't. So why aren’t we fighting for that? My problem with NN is not the idea, but the pro-government politics of those so loudly supporting it. I trust free markets far more than I trust governments. If Nancy Pelosi or Maxine Waters were in charge of American internet — I find that pretty horrifying.
Because it is an inherently unstable equilibrium. Having two communication networks (of the same level of service, so this does not apply to adding a next-generation network with far higher bandwidth than the exiting network) is as economically sensible as having two power grids or two competing sewer pipes: It necessarily almost doubles the costs (because what dominates the costs is laying the cables, not buying the uplink). A link that is unused because the house is using the competitor's network still has nearly the same costs for the network owner as if the house were using their network. Which means the best strategy for the established network is to undercut the new competitor in order to kill it. The marginal costs of connecting a customer are minimal, while losing too many customers to the competition would allow them to do the same thing to you. That's why people generally wouldn't invest in such a network in the first place.
Competition works at the backbone level, as there is enough traffic overall to fill the pipes of multiple competitors. But last-mile networks consist of links that are either used and paid for, or unused with no option to sell the capacity to somebody else, so there is a natural tendency towards a monopoly (which is also in a way in the interest of the customer: Building two networks necessarily doubles the cost, which ultimately the customers have to pay for).
Also, they are in charge of the American internet anyway. One law regulating some aspect of the internet does not in any way change how much power people have over some other aspect. If people can make a law banning hacker news, they can do so without NN regulation existing beforehand.
Re: Mozilla Fights for Net Neutrality This May (and Always)
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
What I find amazing is that there are still people on this planet who oppose anything a government does, so they end up at the perils of corporations. I guess, according to you, GDPR is also a Bad Thing (tm)? Hint: it is a response to an industry which failed to regulate itself. When corporations cannot manage themselves, the government must interact by rule of law. An example of that is the sale of frequencies such…
it is a response to an industry which failed to regulate itself Pretty much everything websites do with your data are from voluntary exchange. We decide to subscribe to a website a visit it regularly and give to it your data. We decide to surf some website without ad blockers / web trackers extensions, and we don't want to pay for social medias and some of us actually like well targeted ads. I fail to see what the co…
Re: Mozilla Fights for Net Neutrality This May (and Always)
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please stop saying “Europe has plenty of competition.” I am in France and have exactly 1 ISP where I live. Not everyone in Europe is in a big city. And even in big cities, not every ISP is available at your house even though they advertise that they are in the area.
I'm in France countryside too and we have a lot of different ISP
1. There are a lot of competing networks in the ground. Like, there are five cables reaching your house owned by five different ISPs that you can choose from.
2. There is one cable reaching your house, but the owner doesn't care too much about making money themselves, so they allow competitors to use it at a price where they can compete with the owner.
3. There is one cable reaching your house, but the government regulates the price at which the owner must rent it out to competitors without any restrictions on what the competitor may transmit over it.
Re: Mozilla Fights for Net Neutrality This May (and Always)
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a customer, NN does not benefit me. The opposite. I will lose access to zero-rated services if it's implemented. I don't want that to happen because then I will have to pay more money for the same service.
I don't understand this. Can someone explain to me the argument of "ISPs in the US are monopolies, so more regulation is worse for the customer"? If your ISP is a monopoly, they can do whatever they want if left unregulated. They can literally charge you whatever they want. Zero-rated services are zero-rated because you pay for them indirectly. I guess losing access to them would be a downside, and would prevent Face…
PS: an advice: If you cannot think of a single argument against your own position you're not ready to have a dialog.
Re: Mozilla Fights for Net Neutrality This May (and Always)
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
it is a response to an industry which failed to regulate itself Pretty much everything websites do with your data are from voluntary exchange. We decide to subscribe to a website a visit it regularly and give to it your data. We decide to surf some website without ad blockers / web trackers extensions, and we don't want to pay for social medias and some of us actually like well targeted ads. I fail to see what the co…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect