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Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

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Re: Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

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so dumb though. though could own messaging, which would be way more valuable than whatever tiny bump it's giving to the iphone.

What use is it to own messaging if they don't make money from it? Apple got out of the advertising business years ago.

incredibly short-sighted perspective. it gives them huge leverage.

Re: Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

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post #5

It will never happen, iMessage is one of the network effects of Apple/iPhone ecosystem.

There's no way I would buy a mac for iMessage, but I would be inclined to use iMessage on my windows PC. This seems like a net positive for Apple

Re: Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so dumb though. though could own messaging, which would be way more valuable than whatever tiny bump it's giving to the iphone.

What use is it to own messaging if they don't make money from it? Apple got out of the advertising business years ago.

Why do people buy premium cable and content? To skip the Ads

Re: Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

#34
post #11

Personally I find WhatsApp having a better UX than iMessage. now the worry is about data being siphoned by Zucker zucker. I can hardly search for an old text on iMessage on mac or iPhone. have stopped using it entirely.

What are you talking about? It has search built in - I can and do regularly search for stuff from years ago.

Re: Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

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post #28

This isn't a big deal really. However Microsoft wants the real secret sauce. They either want A: Apple to build a client in Windows with C#. Or possibly B: wants to able to allow swift compilation on Windows thus opening the door wide open for app ecosystem. You think probably not but then again WSL.

Microsoft has literally tens of thousands of engineers capable of building the client for Windows if Apple will let them. I am certain that no one on this integration project cares whether Apple actually does the work, only whether they allow it. Disclosure: Microsoft employee, but nowhere near this group.

That's essentially what I'm saying. There is a longer game at play. I only state they probably want Apple to do it because they helped Apple port iTunes to the Windows Store. It's not a play for iMessage but a longer play.

Re: Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

#36
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What use is it to own messaging if they don't make money from it? Apple got out of the advertising business years ago.

incredibly short-sighted perspective. it gives them huge leverage.

They already have leverage - the leverage of iMessage to keep people from leaving their iPhones (which, as has been mentioned, is where Apple makes a huge amount of money).

What other kind of leverage are you talking about?

Re: Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

#37
post #22

I am surprised Apple have not extended iMessage to a web interface that relies on the iPhone iMessage app to do all the work in the same way that WhatsApp Web works. You don't lose E2EE, you keep the requirement of having an iPhone, etc. Sure they have the macOS desktop iMessage app but a web interface would be great for iPhone owners who don't use macOS of which there are many . They could easily wrap such a web ser…

Security is one reason they stay away from web access.

If you read through Apple's security white papers it's pretty clear that iMessage security would be gravely impacted by the attack surface that comes with web access.

Re: Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

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How could you do a web version of iMessages without losing end-to-end encryption?

WebCrypto?

No way Apple is going to rely on outside technology stack for something which could damage its entire secure branding.

Re: Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

#39
post #8

Well, Apple has a port of all of OS X above the Unix layer to NT lying around somewhere. iMessage should be a relative doddle to bring to Windows.

Are you referring to Yellow Box and Rhapsody?

http://roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/4B800F78-0F75-45...

Re: Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to bring iMessage support to Win

#40
post #28

This isn't a big deal really. However Microsoft wants the real secret sauce. They either want A: Apple to build a client in Windows with C#. Or possibly B: wants to able to allow swift compilation on Windows thus opening the door wide open for app ecosystem. You think probably not but then again WSL.

Microsoft has literally tens of thousands of engineers capable of building the client for Windows if Apple will let them. I am certain that no one on this integration project cares whether Apple actually does the work, only whether they allow it. Disclosure: Microsoft employee, but nowhere near this group.

> Microsoft has literally tens of thousands of engineers capable of building the client for Windows if Apple will let them.

One word: Skype.

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