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Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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I've been trying to find out whether Ubuntu 18.04 still supports the gnome-flashback package. I've tried to install it via apt-get in a virtual machine but then there was no option to select it as my session after a reboot. Does anyone know more about this by any chance?

Swtich to lightdm from gdm3 and you'll be able to choose it in the login screen.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Exactly my approach. Periodically I ask what are the advantages of an environment like Gnome that would make it worth it for me to put up with the resource usage. I haven't heard anything compelling yet.

Many years ago I used to use light weight window managers. I remember using icewm after I got fed up with enlightenment, but I think it was Fluxbox that I kept for a long time -- up until about 2010. However having access to things like a network manager to join wireless networks, a battery indicator, a volume control, etc is essential in today's world, which is why I now run a heavyweight xfce environment.

This is somewhat orthogonal to what window manager you are running though. Most tiling WMs (e.g. xmonad) combine nicely with xfce[1], giving you all the convenience features you mention while still not having to mess around with moving and resizing windows. I've been using that combination for years and wouldn't want to switch back to either plain xmonad or plain xfce.

[1] https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_XFCE

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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>I never understood the fixation about ease of installing The only time I use linux is when I need a linux VM for something. This happens maybe 2/3 times a year, and I can never remember all the random linux specific installation stuff. Ubuntu goes into enough detail that I don't need to google it, Debian doesn't. My fixation is because I don't care about what version of linux I'm using, I'm not going to be using it…

Are you re-installing, or re-starting, a VM for this? If you're re-installing from scratch each time you're possibly doing that wrong. An installation from scratch, in any case, should only ask you hostname, domain name, maybe wifi details (probably not for a VM), partitioning preference, and package / function (set of packages) --- none of this stuff benefits from a flashy / GUI installer. > ... I just need a linux…

>Are you re-installing, or re-starting, a VM for this?

Yes, of course I am, as an amateur in linux it would be reckless for me reuse an existing linux installation in a different context. The only way I can safely re-use is docker.

>An installation from scratch, in any case, should only ask you hostname, domain name

Domain name has already lost me, I'm not a website, why do I need a domain? :)

In practice, you're usually asked about root, usernames, home folders, etc, too.

>none of this stuff benefits from a flashy / GUI installer

No it doesn't need a flashy installer, but I'm equally talking about the Ubuntu Server edition's text installer. I'm not sure if you're talking about GUI vs CLI or "graphical" vs "text-based oldschool GUI". I would say totally vanilla CLI installers absolutely don't explain things well.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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Same. If they did a simple non tiling WM that had those little things in it and wasn't a piece of crap, I'd be there like a shot.

LXDE/LXQt is what I think of when I read your descriptions. It's Openbox (which is a really capable, lightweight non-tiling window manager) plus a panel plus Xfce Power Manager and similar applications to handle the desktop environment stuff.

Thanks - will definitely take a look at that over the weekend. The lighter the better for me.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

I have been using XFCE for 5 or 6 years, the _best_ thing about it are it's developers, they don't keep updating it.

XFCE avoids the plague which affects rest of the software industry (me included) - dedicate design, marketing, and development teams who constantly have to add something to justify their jobs and bonuses. Look at the number of app updates on mobile phones, every freaking week there is a update available. If you don't update they will eventually block older versions.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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> Ubuntu has done a bit of tweaking so that you can actually put launchers, folders, and files on your desktop, which should be welcome news for many Ubuntu users. How long that will last is an open question, though, since GNOME just completely removed the code that made it possible for Canonical to enable this feature.

I was curious about this and went spelunking for more information.

    https://community.ubuntu.com/t/files-nautilus-v3-28-will-lose-the-desktop-icons-capability/3115/1
    https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/46
    https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/01/09/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t14:46
    https://csorianognome.wordpress.com/2017/12/21/nautilus-desktop-plans/
I understand the need to remove cruft that blocks progress, but the Desktop filesystem metaphor is used by almost every single computer user I have ever seen. It seems wilfully destructive to remove something that is depended on by so many without making sure there's a replacement in place first.

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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I've been skipping all the Unity drama by staying on Xubuntu which is really snappy and stays out of your way. Also, Gnome on this laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) gave me (and several others users, as per forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2358975 and some bug reports I found on the internet) a freeze or stutter every 10 or so seconds. So instead of having to start debugging shit from a fresh Linux i…

I have been using XFCE for 5 or 6 years, the _best_ thing about it are it's developers, they don't keep updating it. XFCE avoids the plague which affects rest of the software industry (me included) - dedicate design, marketing, and development teams who constantly have to add something to justify their jobs and bonuses. Look at the number of app updates on mobile phones, every freaking week there is a update availabl…

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Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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I have a problem after upgrading to 18.04 - even if CPU is idle fans are still working. Everything was fine on 17.10 (fan would only work on higher loads) then upgraded on my ultrabook to 18.04 and fan is working all the time. Anyone have similar experience/solved that?

Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better

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> but two deserve a quick mention. The first is Kubuntu, which for my money is the flavor to beat. If you haven't tried KDE lately, you really should give Kubuntu a go. KDE is no longer the memory hog it once was, and Plasma 5.12 offers an incredibly nice, polished, and smooth experience.

Strongly agree. KDE/plasma continue to make great progress and it's my personal favorite. Looks gorgeous out of the box, is light on memory and the cpu, and offers great customization options. Since it uses a layout similar to Windows 7/10 people coming from the mentioned operating systems feel right at home and it eases the transition to linux (I've installed Kubuntu for a few non-technical people and so far no complaints!). If you're interested in following KDE's progress, check out Nate Graham's blog [0] where he publishes a weekly post going over new features and bug fixes in KDE applications and plasma. Really looking forward to plasma 5.13.

[0] https://pointieststick.wordpress.com/

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