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Does workspace grid [1] work on 18.04? Not sure how to get wrapping, though. [1] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/484/workspace-grid/
Not in my hands, no.
Odd, mine works. Are you perhaps using wayland?
Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better
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Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better
#62I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 (upgraded from 16.04) and I'm still using Unity. Technically Unity is not gone, but it's no longer a default, Gnome is. I've tried Gnome and was very disappointed. No global menu integration which means losing useful screen space for no good reason. Tray icons somehow look squished and ragged. No fractional scaling is a massive issue for me since I'm working with dual 27 inch 4K displays. Tray bar…
Another serious issue with Gnome IMHO, also shared with Unity, is way too small window edges so that attempting to drag-to-resize a window becomes an exercise in patience. I'm on a laptop most of the time and, like you, have absolutely no desire to go back to wasteful non-global menus. Have you eyed a replacement DE for Unity/Ubuntu going forward? Edit: OTOH, Ubuntu have clearly spent a good amount of effort to custo…
I believe the resize issue is fixed on Gnome3 for awhile now, or maybe it was some issue with Ubuntu's default theme?
Global Menus is unfortunately something that I still miss, although I was able to recover some screen space with an Extension called Pixel Saver, which merges the window control bar with the panel by removing the window decorations and adding the buttons to the panel. Not ideal, but useful.
Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better
#63There's really only one reason I do use GNOME Shell: the Pidgin IM integration and Panel OSD extensions popup a pidgin notification in the center screen where I can reply back to it inline without having to switch to the desktop where pidgin is running (or switch to the active pidgin window even if it's running on the other monitor with the static desktop). I do so much communication with various people throughout th…
What do you even use pidgin for nowadays? I haven't launched it since AIM died (and MSN before that).
Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better
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>I never understood the fixation about ease of installing The only time I use linux is when I need a linux VM for something. This happens maybe 2/3 times a year, and I can never remember all the random linux specific installation stuff. Ubuntu goes into enough detail that I don't need to google it, Debian doesn't. My fixation is because I don't care about what version of linux I'm using, I'm not going to be using it…
Are you re-installing, or re-starting, a VM for this? If you're re-installing from scratch each time you're possibly doing that wrong. An installation from scratch, in any case, should only ask you hostname, domain name, maybe wifi details (probably not for a VM), partitioning preference, and package / function (set of packages) --- none of this stuff benefits from a flashy / GUI installer. > ... I just need a linux…
The only graphical installed I've seen was the corporate 'build' of redhat, a 65 page mammouth document that talked about 'disabling telnet'. WTF? Why the hell is telnetd even on the machine? They also had X on there -- on a frickin server.
That's when I spent some time doing an ubuntu build, which even as of 16.04 is ncurses based installer. Boot from pxe, give an IP address/gateway/dns/hostname etc, approve the automatic partitioning selection, select which support area looks after the machine (for user generation, monitoring, etc), and that's it.
Everything gets the same base install, including things like active directory based logons (with ssh keys for those who want them), automatically adds itself to nagios. Build a dev installation (which you select form pxelinux) and auto patching gets enabled, and syslogs get fired off the the right location.
On a VM this can of course be passed as part of the creation process, so it just take 5 minutes to build from scratch. When it comes to building on real hardware it's just a matter of typing the stuff into the boxes then going and making a cup of tea.
After the base install is on, you can then either apply an ansible script to do various package installs, or do it old-skool with apt-get install $package.
It's entirely possible that debian testing may work, however from a corporate signoff (and when you've got nearly 2,000 of these machines installed you need that) saying you're basing the company on 'Ubuntu LTS' is far better than basing it on "Debian Testing".
We've run this way for over a decade over 6 continents, it just works.
Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better
#65Is there an easy way to remove systemd yet?
The closest to an answer to your question is to install Devuan, which is a Debian fork that was motivated exactly by people wanting freedom to choose their init system.
Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better
#66Unity was one of the reasons I switched away from Ubuntu. It may be time to try Ubuntu again :D
It definitely had it's quirks (e.g. the notify-send modals which didn't provide a way to manually close them), but it's still the DE I find myself most productive with.
Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better
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Many years ago I used to use light weight window managers. I remember using icewm after I got fed up with enlightenment, but I think it was Fluxbox that I kept for a long time -- up until about 2010. However having access to things like a network manager to join wireless networks, a battery indicator, a volume control, etc is essential in today's world, which is why I now run a heavyweight xfce environment.
Same. If they did a simple non tiling WM that had those little things in it and wasn't a piece of crap, I'd be there like a shot.
LXDE/LXQt is what I think of when I read your descriptions.
It's Openbox (which is a really capable, lightweight non-tiling window manager) plus a panel plus Xfce Power Manager and similar applications to handle the desktop environment stuff.
Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better
#68Unity was never the main reason people chose to use Ubuntu -- it was always (well, from when I first heard about it until I lost interest (5 years ago)) the claim that Ubuntu is easier to install than Debian. I never understood the fixation about ease of installing , as that's something I either did once every few years on custom hardware, or had automated already using a CFM. For stuff I installed manually (laptops,…
For people who have little / no experience with Linux, an easy low-expertise required install makes all the difference.
Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better
#69Unity was never the main reason people chose to use Ubuntu -- it was always (well, from when I first heard about it until I lost interest (5 years ago)) the claim that Ubuntu is easier to install than Debian. I never understood the fixation about ease of installing , as that's something I either did once every few years on custom hardware, or had automated already using a CFM. For stuff I installed manually (laptops,…
I went with it because if a project had binaries at all, there was likely a .deb tested with ubuntu. If there were drivers for linux, they were likely tested against ubuntu. Ease of installation is rarely talking about the install screen; it's talking about everything just working without having to dig around the internet, and installation is a good proxy for that.
Re: Ubuntu 18.04: Unity is gone, Gnome is back, and Ubuntu has never been better
#70With KDE that got so much better in the last 2-3 years, Qt license that is not an issue anymore since a long time... why so many distros are still using GNOME (especially version 3)?
I think we have a mini-Microsoft now in the space. It's nowhere near as big of a problem because Canonical doesn't have that tight of a grip on the industry, but I get the feeling a lot of "officially supported" things only support Ubuntu and users feel it's stuck to Ubuntu with whatever their stock choices are, just like nobody can use a different OS because all their Windows software is "stuck" on whatever the newest version they "force" users to upgrade to.