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Most of the theories I've seen about the women-in-tech gap don't resonate with my experience because there was a very obvious 'women-in-tech' gap in about... 5th grade? in my (typical, I think) American elementary school. It was nerdy boys, almost entirely (I remember one exception), who wanted to stay after school playing games on the iMacs in our classroom, and I am pretty sure that it would only be the boys in my…
Interesting that popular perception is that it is hard to be a woman in STEM because you get so much unwanted attention, but in this case it was exactly the opposite. She wasn't able to find lab partners for projects in male majority classes and felt lonely.
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Which also corresponded to home PCs and gaming consoles becoming common. So computers became more about a hobby with often limited social interaction as opposed to being solely about something that college students and adults pursuing computing as a profession did. Which arguably also led to this idea that if you haven’t been doing computing recreationally since you were a kid you obviously are not Passionate enough…
I have to admit if you only started programming after you went to University your going to struggle with the course and afterwards work. You would not expect to do a Degree in English lit and have done no reading of the cannon before getting to university.
The thought that other people can't run your gauntlet. You'd be surprised that not only can they, but all they need is more motivation or discipline and then they can lap you.
Just like someone who didn't learn to exercise until later in life.
> young men are less likely to approach women and invite them to join a study group or happy hour, poker night, or whatever else they do with their male peers/coworkers. As a man I've never been approached and invited to anything like this..
I wonder how many men get invited to the inverse 'girls night' also.
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I have to admit if you only started programming after you went to University your going to struggle with the course and afterwards work. You would not expect to do a Degree in English lit and have done no reading of the cannon before getting to university.
The idea that, if you have no experience programming going into college, you’ll struggle, is strange to me. About a third of my graduating CS class had no prior experience. Did we take more time to finish the first semester projects? Sometimes. But after the first semester prior experience seemed to have very little effect on class performance.
In particular, antisocial [1] means something very different than asocial (preferring a less active social life). Plenty of people are asocial but thankfully very few are antisocial.
It matters in the case of the article because it juxtaposes pro-social behaviors like community consciousness with asocial behaviors. These are different dimensions. One can be simultaneously asocial and pro-social, and one can also simultaneously be social and anti-social.
1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disor...
> Go befriend a girl in your class or company. It’s not creepy. As an unattractive computer nerd, I've been regularly reminded my entire life that I am creepy. Skipping.
I have a talented, and wonderful, female dev on my team. One thing though:. She has described to me some of the male coders as being "creepers". When I asked for specifics, she couldn't provide them. She simply stated it was a "feeling". The one commonality I found with the creepers is that they are pretty clearly below average in looks. The question is whether this is a correlation or a casual factor. But definitely…
https://twitter.com/ekp/status/991817194987114496
I frankly found this shocking and absolutely disgusting.
I notice that the big decline in female enrollment in CS came around the time the Hollywood stereotype of a computer programmer changed from a well-intentioned labcoated professional whose creation might have gotten a bit out of control to a basement dwelling hacker carrying out a solo fight against the bullies, the man, etc.
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I don't think they would be weaker - where do you think I said I thought that? But lots of men definitely do think women are likely to be weaker in computer science. I don't know why they think that - you'd have to ask them?
But you're making the claim that men think that. You can't just pass the buck to your own premise with "dunno, you'll have to ask them."
Yes I can. It's completely reasonable to be observe something even if you can't offer an explanation.
I don't know why some people are racist but I can see that they are.
I don't know why some people are sexist but I can see that they are.
I don't know why some people think women are inherently weaker at computer science, but I can see that they do think that by what they say and do.
> Compared to almost any other industry, women are underrepresented in technology. Except for the many industries where women dominate like: Preschool and kindergarten education Nursing Accounting Social Work Psychology
Note the pay on those careers. "Women's Careers" pay significantly less. And they're all 'emotional' and 'soft skill' jobs. That's a problem. Edit: So, at -3 currently. Is the -1's a "disagree" or "stfu"? Please state where I am wrong.
Tech jobs are now essential to maintain competitive edge and keep the big profits going at companies, and they want to bid up to get good talent. Even small barely surviving companies have to pay good $ to get developers etc. because of the market forces.
OTOH lets take a daycare teacher. They are being paid ultimately from the money average people have left over having worked, paid their tax, mortgage, bills, food etc, given it to another company who has paid their overheads and finally paid the teacher their salary. (Forgetting government subsidies - but still...) There is no way this can be a large amount of money (unless you have 1 teacher to 30 kids, but then there are safety issues).