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How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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Re: How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's in Forbes?

forbes.com/sites might as well be wordpress.com, it's just some blog. Pretty amazing how little such a big brand is actually worth.

Did you miss "This story appears in the May 31, 2018 issue of Forbes" below the byline of this article?

Re: How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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"Every time you touch the map, the map is learning," Gundersen says. "It's that flywheel." Curious quote. A flywheel stores energy. What does that have to do with a system learning as it's used? Also curious phrasing. "That flywheel"? Which flywheel?

I suspect it is a reference to "The Flywheel Effect" espoused by business author Jim Collins: https://www.jimcollins.com/concepts/the-flywheel.html

I'm not an expert, and I'm not sure that this in fact a valid interpretation of that concept, but I know that it's a popular concept in certain business circles.

Re: How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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There are more alternatives to Google & Mapbox that mostly use OpenStreetMap as a backing data source:

    https://openmaptiles.org (only map tiles)
    https://stadiamaps.com (map tiles, static maps & routing)
    https://www.thunderforest.com (only maps)
    https://geocoder.opencagedata.com (only geocoding)
    https://geocode.earth (only geocoding)
A laundry listing: https://switch2osm.org/providers/

Tile providers are very thankful for the excellent rendering libraries built by Mapbox, Mapzen, and the Leaflet project. Most maps either use Leaflet.js or MapBox GL JS (open source) for their rendering agent, now that Mapzen is defunct (although their rendering library, tangrams, is now open source).

(I am a co-founder of Stadia Maps.)

Re: How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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I have no evidence to support it, but this article feels like bought and paid for PR.

All media is bought and paid for PR. The only question is who's paying for it and why. That's not necessarily a bad thing, either. It's just the way it is.

I wouldn't say that all media is PR specifically, but it's true that all media is bought and paid for by somebody. It might be a giant corporation paying a mechanical turk to write what they want. It might be somebody with the luxury of taking their own time to write. It might be a professional journalist working for a publication that sells ad space to pay its bills, and which doesn't want to piss off ad buyers.

Re: How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's risky to leave customers out that will feed your competition.

Every business decision carries risk. The question is whether or not the risk is acceptable. If you don't want to serve any customers making under $10M, then other companies serving those customers are not your competition. At least not today. Is there a risk they might take their broader customer base and use it to compete with you upmarket some day? Yes. But that's why you do things like build a brand, relationship…

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Re: How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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> Widespread adoption has other benefits. Mapbox doesn't need to send out pricey cars or satellites in space to map the world. "Map data is not like food, air, water that's just around. It takes active work to make it," says Young Hahn, Mapbox's CTO. Whenever someone opens a Mapbox map, that person's phone or computer sends three pieces of anonymous data back to the company: longitude, latitude and a time stamp. These billions of data points constantly improve Mapbox's real-time plug-and-play map of the world. "Every time you touch the map, the map is learning," Gundersen says. "It's that flywheel."

What do they mean by that?

Re: How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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I generally like Mapbox but I've had some problems with the quality of their geocoding and still would get better results from Google's geocoding. It was a pretty niche thing, though: mapbox doesn't have as many European postcodes, but Europeans in several countries don't really treat postcodes with much respect to begin with. In particular, mapbox has no Eircodes whatsoever.

The quality of OpenAddresses' geocoding (which, I'd imagine, Mapbox uses) seems to be a bit spotty here in the United States as well.

Google's entire advantage here is the amount of resources they've poured into their data; nobody else has been able to match it so far.

EDIT: After doing a bit of poking and prodding, it does seem to be a lot better than it used to be.

Re: How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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I have no evidence to support it, but this article feels like bought and paid for PR.

All media is bought and paid for PR. The only question is who's paying for it and why. That's not necessarily a bad thing, either. It's just the way it is.

That is the truth.

I know directly of at least one recent instance where a local news company was not allowed to interview a professional directly related to a story it was airing...because one of their big advertisers wouldn't allow anyone in that field to be interviewed unless it was an affiliate of theirs.

I'm being purposely vague there, but even the reporter was really upset about it.

Re: How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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Since Google Maps jacked up their prices a few days ago, I've been exploring alternatives, including Mapbox. Unfortunately Mapbox is also very steep for a solo developer developer who wants to build a side project - at least if it's considered 'commercial'. $500 / month for only 250 users, and no way to plan beyond that without inquiring with them about an "enterprise" plan.

Also, if anyone from Mapbox is reading this, you need to be more clear about what is considered "commercial". At the top of the pricing page you define a commercial app as:

  Paid web app or website (fee or subscription)
  Private web app or website with restricted access
  Asset tracking app or website to monitor people or things
But then lower down on the page, you seem to indicate a more permissive definition:

  If your app is for internal business use by employees,
  or if it is not accessible or functional for members
  of the general public then we consider that a
  Commercial app.
Even with these two definitions, it's not clear how this pricing works for freemium websites or websites paid for by advertising.

There are some other alternatives that are more truly "pay as you go" or have affordable tiers for commercial apps:

TomTom - https://developer.tomtom.com/store/maps-api

MapQuest - https://developer.mapquest.com/plans

Stadia Maps - https://stadiamaps.com/

There is also MapFit, which says it has "Clear pricing that scales with you" but doesn't actually explain any of their pricing:

https://mapfit.com/pricing

If anyone else has good alternatives that are affordable for solo devs, especially ones with good alternatives to the Google Maps Places API, I'd love to hear about them.

Re: How Mapbox Is Winning Over Developers to Challenge Google's Mapping Dominance

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Last I checked, MapBox's WebGL based vector tile renderer was a cut above the rest. For simple mapping, Google's stuff may cut it, but MapBox has the ability to draw complex vector polygons over a wide area that render/zoom/scroll fast and provide a nice experience. This is pretty important if you want to provide fine grained analysis of geographic areas. If you wanted this on GMaps, you were stuck rendering all your…

> MapBox's WebGL based vector tile renderer was a cut above the rest.

It really is. I've done a lot of work in the web with various rendering engines, and it's hard to beat the quality of MapBox GL.

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