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It always bothers me when there are complaints of treating someone differently while also describing those persons as "hyphenated Americans". I don't think those, in this article, described themselves as such but you can't be the same and different at the same time.
Then how would you describe the reason that they were targeted?
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> I’ve never met anyone who claims racism doesn’t exist. The anti-affirmative action argument doesn't say that racism doesn't exist. The argument against affirmative action is that society should aim for equal opportunity rather than equal outcome.
Affirmative action IS institutional racism in that it codifies advantage to one race over another. One could argue about the intention of affirmative action, but I don’t think one could argue that it’s not racist, using the dictionary’s definition of racism.
As is often the case, the dictionary gives multiple definitions.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/racism
You're using definition number 2, the person you were responding to was maybe using definition number 3.
(Although we get it, your point still stands.)
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> People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences. And for folks who scream "Free Speech doesn't mean Free of Consequence" and engage in harassment campaigns causing targets to lose jobs, homes, and everything else, I hope you're fine with the same thing happening to you when someone finds your views repugnant. We're trying to push the societal ball forward, not revert…
What is your proposal for moving the ball forward? How would you deal with groups of racists trying to influence society?
Every possible alternative relies on whoever is in power exercising condescending 'parent knows best' authority. And the rest of us just have to hope the whims of whoever is in power happen to align with ours. That's a bad way to run anything from the get-go, doubly so when the next generation takes over and is expected to know what the hell they're doing.
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Affirmative action IS institutional racism in that it codifies advantage to one race over another. One could argue about the intention of affirmative action, but I don’t think one could argue that it’s not racist, using the dictionary’s definition of racism.
> One could argue about the intention of affirmative action, but I don’t think one could argue that it’s not racist, using the dictionary’s definition of racism. As is often the case, the dictionary gives multiple definitions. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/racism You're using definition number 2, the person you were responding to was maybe using definition number 3. (Although we get it, your point still stands.)
What I was trying to say, without saying it, is that rasism is not what the cultural Marxist are trying to sell - “power + privilege”.
I wonder why we do social media voting at all. Even if it isn’t ruined by racist trolls it’s still kind of silly isn’t it? How would a bunch of random strangers know which science project was good? And more importantly, why do we care what everyman Joe/Jolie has to say about anything? We’ve always had village idiots or people who stood on cardboard boxes and yelled about our impending doom, but when did we decide tha…
I think it provides a way to organise good content or likely to be liked content as we can't load entire database to the user and ask them to sort through it themselves. On the other hand it would be nice if votes were never shown to people and just used in the back end to sort the good stuff.
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You are buying what the racists are selling - the idea that progress for minorities comes at the expense of white people. Almost all affirmative action is designed to help pushing inclusion and participation, not just pushing the end goal. You set a target for numbers of candidates you interview to be minorities, which helps you get more opportunity to find capable people who happen to be minorities. They still have…
> You are buying what the racists are selling - the idea that progress for minorities comes at the expense of white people. I didn't say that affirmative action comes at the expense of white people, I said (implicitly, by presenting an example) that it comes at the expense of the people it tries to help.
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> I maintain that "affirmative action" does more bad than good in the vast majority of the cases. Even if it was a case of affirmative action, their work still gets the chance to get criticized and touch people’s eyes. Arguably with no action it could have rotten in some binder in a desk, so isn’t “something” still better than nothing ?
> Even if it was a case of affirmative action, their work still gets the chance to get criticized and touch people’s eyes. Arguably with no action it could have rotten in some binder in a desk, so isn’t “something” still better than nothing ? To be clear: I'm NOT saying this was a case of affirmative action. You pointed a positive consequence of affirmative action. I agree it exists and that it's positive. My observa…
The headline is effectively: "[thing happpend], [trolls trolled the thing]."
I don't like trolls either, but as best we can tell, they're an emergent phenomenon of the system. Either NPR doesn't understand the internet, or is trying to change the internet.
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It does in the US. People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences.
>People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences. I only ever see this as justification for vigilante justice. Is this what you're referring to?
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You are buying what the racists are selling - the idea that progress for minorities comes at the expense of white people. Almost all affirmative action is designed to help pushing inclusion and participation, not just pushing the end goal. You set a target for numbers of candidates you interview to be minorities, which helps you get more opportunity to find capable people who happen to be minorities. They still have…
> You are buying what the racists are selling - the idea that progress for minorities comes at the expense of white people. I didn't say that affirmative action comes at the expense of white people, I said (implicitly, by presenting an example) that it comes at the expense of the people it tries to help.
We can't just ignore the imbalance that exists due to past inequality, act equally now and pretend there are no problems any more. Fixing that imbalance doesn't have to mean pulling anyone down, and that response ("it must be because they are taking the opportunity from someone else who is more capable") needs to be fixed, not the act of trying to pull people up to fix past wrongs.