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3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

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Re: 3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

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Post by justAnotherNET »

hrktb wrote: post #10
RasputinsBro wrote: post #2

Slight off-topic. I'm sure this has been said before, but I'm saddened to catch myself doing it. All my life I've been indifferent to matters of race, and so if I'd read 10 years ago about 3 black girls doing whatever I wouldn't have thought twice about it. But after what's been happening in recent years, I just caught myself thinking: "3 black girls? I wonder if they didn't win as part of the diversity quota" :-/ I…

> I maintain that "affirmative action" does more bad than good in the vast majority of the cases. Even if it was a case of affirmative action, their work still gets the chance to get criticized and touch people’s eyes. Arguably with no action it could have rotten in some binder in a desk, so isn’t “something” still better than nothing ?

The point is that if A, B, and C compete and C wins because of affirmitive action alone then you are cheating A.

The argument is society as a whole is worse off when those who work hard are discounted solely because of their color to promote another.

You can’t fix racism with more racism in the opposite direction.

Re: 3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

#32

Post by moorhosj »

mieseratte wrote: post #15
maxerickson wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does in the US. People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences.

> People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences. And for folks who scream "Free Speech doesn't mean Free of Consequence" and engage in harassment campaigns causing targets to lose jobs, homes, and everything else, I hope you're fine with the same thing happening to you when someone finds your views repugnant. We're trying to push the societal ball forward, not revert…

What is your proposal for moving the ball forward? How would you deal with groups of racists trying to influence society?

Re: 3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

#33

Post by Pica_soO »

My solution- depersonalize all work. As in no faces, no interviews, no names- just a number and the work. Take the old web to reality- kick the whole social approach out of it. If writing styles or location give the work away, jumble and anonymize even that.

There will be no way human reeducation will ever work. There will no new - more human humanity appear by enough reeducation. So just make it one huge peer reviewed anonymized contest, even distribute some slang into other papers/ works and lets leave this all behind.

Re: 3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

#34

Post by maxerickson »

mieseratte wrote: post #29
maxerickson wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of room for consequences that don't rise anywhere near the level of a harassment campaign.

> There's plenty of room for consequences that don't rise anywhere near the level of a harassment campaign. Care to give some examples?

Things like social disengagement stemming from personal observations.

I.e., that person said something incredibly repugnant and clearly meant it, I'm not going to have lunch with them anymore.

And so on.

Re: 3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

#35

Post by [deleted] »

maxerickson wrote: post #34
mieseratte wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's plenty of room for consequences that don't rise anywhere near the level of a harassment campaign. Care to give some examples?

Things like social disengagement stemming from personal observations. I.e., that person said something incredibly repugnant and clearly meant it, I'm not going to have lunch with them anymore. And so on.

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Re: 3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

#36

Post by mieseratte »

maxerickson wrote: post #34
mieseratte wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's plenty of room for consequences that don't rise anywhere near the level of a harassment campaign. Care to give some examples?

Things like social disengagement stemming from personal observations. I.e., that person said something incredibly repugnant and clearly meant it, I'm not going to have lunch with them anymore. And so on.

That's entirely fair.

Re: 3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

#37

Post by daenz »

maxerickson wrote: post #9
chirau wrote: post #6

I've always wondered whether 'freedom' encompasses freedom to be racist or hateful. But then again, the moment you bound the freedom, you have to allow others to bound other freedoms in their societies as well, which could very well lead to oppression, or even enslavement. It's a tough call.

It does in the US. People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences.

>People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences.

I only ever see this as justification for vigilante justice. Is this what you're referring to?

Re: 3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

#38

Post by krishanath »

mieseratte wrote: post #15
maxerickson wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does in the US. People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences.

> People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences. And for folks who scream "Free Speech doesn't mean Free of Consequence" and engage in harassment campaigns causing targets to lose jobs, homes, and everything else, I hope you're fine with the same thing happening to you when someone finds your views repugnant. We're trying to push the societal ball forward, not revert…

> I hope you're fine with the same thing happening to you when someone finds your views repugnant.

This doesn't randomly happen to everyone.

Re: 3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

#39

Post by maxerickson »

daenz wrote: post #37
maxerickson wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does in the US. People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences.

>People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences. I only ever see this as justification for vigilante justice. Is this what you're referring to?

No.

Re: 3 Black Teenage Scientists Had a Breakthrough, Then Came the Trolls

#40

Post by mieseratte »

moorhosj wrote: post #32
mieseratte wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People seem to get confused though and expect that repugnant speech won't have any consequences. And for folks who scream "Free Speech doesn't mean Free of Consequence" and engage in harassment campaigns causing targets to lose jobs, homes, and everything else, I hope you're fine with the same thing happening to you when someone finds your views repugnant. We're trying to push the societal ball forward, not revert…

What is your proposal for moving the ball forward? How would you deal with groups of racists trying to influence society?

I'm genuinely not sure at this point, other than killing off social media but I doubt we're going to stuff that back in Pandora's Box anytime soon.

Regardless, vigilantism isn't going to help and will only further worsen.

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