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Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by NumberFiveAlive »

jjcm wrote: post #31
NumberFiveAlive wrote: post #13

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The dev tools in IE8 are pretty darn good. I still use Firebug as my primary, but when I'm chasing an IE specific bug, the dev tools are pretty solid. I even prefer them to Chrome's.

Webkit's debugger, not Chrome's. I've actually switched over to Webkit's debugger as my primary one though. It ironed out a lot of the nuances that irked me over the last year (inspection of styles didn't appear as code [it now does], you couldn't use command/ctrl + shift + c to inspect an element [you can now], you couldn't delete dom elements [you can now], as well as a myriad of others that were resolved). So far…

Thanks, I will check it out as it has been about a year. I think about 80% of my preference was simply familiarity.

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by code_duck »

Yaggo wrote: post #64
code_duck wrote: post #36

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Do you know that Microsoft supplies VHD images for free that you can use to test any version of IE? YOu don't need a license or anything, just Windows and their free Virtual PC software. They're intended to work only with Windows and Virtual PC (of course!) but apparently it's possible to get them to work with other VM software on other OSs. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyId=...

> YOu don't need a license or anything, just Windows and their free Virtual PC software. Last time I checked, running "just Windows" requires "a license or something".

It's true. I meant to say a license specifically for these additional versions.

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by code_duck »

_b8r0 wrote: post #67
code_duck wrote: post #54

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They supply new ones every 90 days or so.

Which is great if you want to do completely unnecessary admin work every 90 days.

All you need to do is download the new images. I mean, this entire thing is a huge PITA anyway, so as far as testing sites for IE6 and IE7, this is the least of your worries! I'm just pointing out is that it is possible to use this product continuously.

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by code_duck »

kennedywm wrote: post #45
code_duck wrote: post #37

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What's bad about supporting software long after it is obsolete is that it encourages people who know very little to think it is perfectly legitimate to continue using it long after it is obsolete. It's their lousy software, it IS their responsibility to transition people off of it.

It's just not smart to replace a system that only works well in IE 6 because it might mess up your employees' ability to waste their time on some guy's random startup. There are perfectly legitimate reasons why a corporation would continue to use IE6, despite its countless flaws.

Security is the killer flaw, though. They're going to have to change once MS stops patching it - and who knows what 0 day (or -300 day) flaws lurk in IE6.

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by kennedywm »

code_duck wrote: post #74
kennedywm wrote: post #45

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It's just not smart to replace a system that only works well in IE 6 because it might mess up your employees' ability to waste their time on some guy's random startup. There are perfectly legitimate reasons why a corporation would continue to use IE6, despite its countless flaws.

Security is the killer flaw, though. They're going to have to change once MS stops patching it - and who knows what 0 day (or -300 day) flaws lurk in IE6.

I hope you never have to understand the perverse inner workings of the corporate IT manager's mind. :'(

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Post by Shorel »

kennedywm wrote: post #75
code_duck wrote: post #74

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Security is the killer flaw, though. They're going to have to change once MS stops patching it - and who knows what 0 day (or -300 day) flaws lurk in IE6.

I hope you never have to understand the perverse inner workings of the corporate IT manager's mind. :'(

So the 'perfectly legitimate reasons' are all because of 'perverse inner workings' of some manager's mind?

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by Shorel »

ericz wrote: post #4

IE has the opportunity to come out with a truly standards compliant product. If they can give it the speed/wow factor the Chrome release had, then they'll be back in the game. Regardless, if they create a product that is rid of all of the burdens of previous version, ie. ActiveX and BHOs, then they're giving many consumers little reason to switch to a competitor if they're computer is shipped with IE9

MS will find all the possible ways to abuse a monopoly when they have one.

I don't think we need IE back in the game, we need to change the game to be as client agnostic and standards based as possible.

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