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Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by jjcm »

NumberFiveAlive wrote: post #13
hvs wrote: post #5

Now it just needs a semi-decent debugger.

The dev tools in IE8 are pretty darn good. I still use Firebug as my primary, but when I'm chasing an IE specific bug, the dev tools are pretty solid. I even prefer them to Chrome's.

Webkit's debugger, not Chrome's. I've actually switched over to Webkit's debugger as my primary one though. It ironed out a lot of the nuances that irked me over the last year (inspection of styles didn't appear as code [it now does], you couldn't use command/ctrl + shift + c to inspect an element [you can now], you couldn't delete dom elements [you can now], as well as a myriad of others that were resolved). So far I've found it to be more stable than firebug and laid out/organized better. That's just me though, and to each their own - but if you haven't tried it in the last year give it another shot.

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by flatulent1 »

It seems like the tech sites that end up with mega-publisher owners are a bit soft in articles that cover products from major potential advertisers.

Conde Nast owns Wired, arstechnica, webmonkey, and reddit

Tabs to the side of the address bar? Using the URL space for search? What are they smoking?

We'll see how standards support actually turns out...

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by rbanffy »

zepolen wrote: post #27
percept wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

. . . or a Windows badge on Linux.

For the most part webapps will work under any OS with a browser, you can't really say the same thing about Windows/Linux software.

Windows NT was designed to have "multiple personalities". It has a Win32 personality most Windows programs see, a POSIX personality (that I think doesn't exist anymore) and an OS/2 personality (that I never saw). Each one could run binaries designed for the respective environment. Few Windows programs ever touch the NT kernel.

OSX is also modeled like this. There is a Mach kernel and a BSD-like personality on top of it.

Wine allows Win32 software to run on top of Unix without ever realizing they are running on top of a "fake" Win32 stack.

I think GNUStep could be used to build something similar that could allow OSX software to run on non-OSX hosts.

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by LaGrange »

zepolen wrote: post #22
ergo98 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All they really need to get back in the game is to come within a lap of the lead browsers -- they don't need users to migrate back from Firefox and Chrome, they just need the "default" browser to be good enough that change isn't necessary.

Personally I can't see why they don't stick an IE badge on webkit and be done with it.

Actually I think that's pretty well addressed in the article - WebKit supports a bit too much. Contrary to Apple Microsoft targets the corporate market and weird internal applications. If they start implementing unstable features or using an engine that supports them they will just paint themselves into a corner once again.

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by code_duck »

dstein wrote: post #24

I'm still trying to decide how I want to install it. Being able to test all versions of IE on a single machine is getting impossible. I have a Windows 7 virtual machine for testing IE8, a Vista vm for IE7, and an Windows XP for testing IE6. And I only have one license of each system, and I don't really want to drop my ability to test IE7 or IE8. Fuck you Microsoft!!

Do you know that Microsoft supplies VHD images for free that you can use to test any version of IE? YOu don't need a license or anything, just Windows and their free Virtual PC software. They're intended to work only with Windows and Virtual PC (of course!) but apparently it's possible to get them to work with other VM software on other OSs.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyId=...

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by code_duck »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #14
DjDarkman wrote: post #3

It's useless unless they stop supporting older IE versions...

Can we please stop bashing MS for the continued usage of IE6? For it's time IE6 was a fine browser (honest), and what exactly is so bad about supporting software long after it is obsolete? If you're tired of supporting IE6 on your site, then stop. Foisting off the cost of transitioning everyone off IE6 onto a big company like MS is comforting but ultimately unrealistic and selfish.

What's bad about supporting software long after it is obsolete is that it encourages people who know very little to think it is perfectly legitimate to continue using it long after it is obsolete.

It's their lousy software, it IS their responsibility to transition people off of it.

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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Post by tomjen3 »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #14
DjDarkman wrote: post #3

It's useless unless they stop supporting older IE versions...

Can we please stop bashing MS for the continued usage of IE6? For it's time IE6 was a fine browser (honest), and what exactly is so bad about supporting software long after it is obsolete? If you're tired of supporting IE6 on your site, then stop. Foisting off the cost of transitioning everyone off IE6 onto a big company like MS is comforting but ultimately unrealistic and selfish.

MS likes to pretend to want to end IE6, but it is all talk (ie the "funeral" they held for IE). What is so bad about getting them to also walk the walk?

Re: Inside Internet Explorer 9: Redmond gets back in the game

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niyazpk wrote: post #15

While I am happy too that the new version of IE is coming soon and it supports the latest standards, let us not forget that we all were saying the exact same thing when IE7 and IE8 came out: This new release will help developers very much by supporting the latest standards. The problems is not with supporting a subset of the latest standards. The problem is that the latest standards change over time and IE stays the…

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