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The rise of the pointless job

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Re: The rise of the pointless job

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It has been my impression, having spent a significant amount of time in Germany, that German ticket checkers aren't primarily trying to detect people who have made a mistake, but those who intentionally ride without paying.

This information may be a bit dated, but I visited Berlin circa 2008 and my friend (American expat) who had been living there for 10+ years insisted that we not pay at the subway, because no one checked. Following his guidance, I never paid for the subway, and was never fined. This was just within the city of Berlin, though.

This varies in place and time. I think close to 50% of my travels on a recent trip were checked.

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Is visited the USA just once (in 2003), but there was an old man that took my bag off the end of the luggage belt at the airport and handed it to me. I could easily have picked it up myself, but he was there for those 30 centimeters of bag travel. I remember being amazed about it and remarking the pointlessness of that job to my coworkers.

In the US you often see people holding a sign saying "slow" next to construction or road work. This is a job that could literally be automated with a pole :)

You'd be surprised. Cars will burn a sign, but they'll stop dead when they see a person holding a sign.

You also have to watch for the pedestrians walking around and so on. It's actually a lot more involved than you think.

I did it a few times. Not hard, but it does matter a lot, and definitely not pointless.

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I'm always a bit taken back when visiting the toilet at clubs and some restaurants when I'm in the UK as there's a gentleman sitting by the sink handing out towels and stuff. Very strange and utterly useless. Not sure if he's paid by the club or lives of tip, but it makes me really uncomfortable. I just want to take a piss and wash my hands, not have an awkward conversation with a towel handler.

I've never seen this in my life in the UK. There is a guy watching over the people in the toilets in the clubs near me, but you don't talk to him and he doesn't hand you anything. Even if he did hand you something, you don't have to have a conversation with him.

OTOH last time I was in St.Pancras there was a guy collecting the fees to use the washroom and keeping things tidied up. People in the US would be outraged to pay for using a bathroom under those circumstances.

Japan can be even worse. I’ve seen it at hotel seven when you’re eating at the hotel restaurant.

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The system would also need to detect which direction the traffic was going. In morning rush hour, outbound would be much heaver than inbound (of your neighborhood) so it would typically be unidirectional.

I've seen such lights in remote construction sites on road trips. They do exist.

It’s not uncommon in the US West where you may have lengthy stretches of road that are single lane because of construction.

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This is very similar to the situation that caused the Swiss to become the mercenaries of Europe. If you were the second son, you weren't going to inherit the farm and thus in a resource-poor country like Switzerland of the Middle Ages, your best choice was to go abroad and find some feudal lord putting together an army. Thus you became a "freelance" and hopefully found riches. I've always thought Machiavelli's dislik…

I think Machiavelli's was worried that the mercs would take over. Which is effectively happened in India princes and kings hiring foreign mercs from France and Britain. Another example is the Janissaries in turkey.

Janissaries were slave-warriors rather than mercenaries, though.

Re: The rise of the pointless job

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I have said this before, but I see some parallels between the modern world and Japan during the early Tokugawa era. Japan had pretty much reached a steady state by the time Tokugawa Iyeyasu came to power in 1600; most of the available land had been cultivated or settled, and, especially after the policies of Toyotomi Hideyoshi, society was locked in a rigid structure without much room for advancement or unrest. As a…

The Japanese invasions of Korea (1592–98) was largely caused by too many unemployed samurai warriors, who were largely out of jobs as peace spread in Japan. Toyotomi Hideyoshi, de facto ruler of Japan, needed to prevent disturbances by unemployed samurais and result was invasion of Korea. It's not the only reason, but a major one.

The scale of the war was massive. Japan alone brought a force of 158,800 in 1st invasion of 1592. In the 2nd invasion of 1597–98, Japan again brought similar number of troops.

For comparison in the Long Turkish War or Thirteen Years' War which was between 1593 to 1606, Ottoman Empire had 160,000–180,000 men.

Ming Dynasty sent 50,000 men to aid Korea, and some say this started the decline of Ming Dynasty.

One really great book I recommend for anyone wanting to learn about this war is

  "The Imjin War: Japan's Sixteenth-Century Invasion of Korea and Attempt to Conquer China
  August 12, 2014" by Samuel Hawley.

Some interesting tidbits from the book:

1. This war was the first time a large group of Christians (not Western but Japanese Christians) set foot in Korea. Of the 12 (?) forces commanded by different warlords, 2 or 3 had large number of Christians. And these were first Christians to set foot in Korea.

2. Chosun Dynasty court maintained the Annals of the Joseon Dynasty (also known as The True Record of the Joseon Dynasty), annual records of the Joseon Dynasty of Korea. They were kept from 1413 to 1865. The annals, or sillok, comprise 1,893 volumes and are thought to cover the longest continual period of a single dynasty in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veritable_Records_of_the_Joseo...

Four copies of the records were kept in geographically separate area within Chosun. However during the Imjin War, 3 of the 4 were burned down by Japanese forces. The Imjin War book talks about how the last set of copy was being transported in numerous, lumbering carts pulled by ox to keep it out of marauding Japanese forces. The convoy was in a village when Japanese forces caught up. The convoy had not enough troops to resist. They then faked it to look like the village held more Korean troops than actual, by using extra flags and other camouflage. Japanese forces stayed away and this allowed the last backup of 4 backups to survive.

This tidgit was extra interesting to me for following: 1) Faking it till making it. 2) how 4 sets of backup was just barely enough.

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When my family lived in Japan years ago, we noticed that when taking the train, approximately three attendants checked our tickets before we boarded a train. At least two of those jobs are "bullshit" in terms of producing wealth, but they are socially beneficial in a culture where the social contract requires near-zero unemployment. (I, apparently like you, can't help but remember this kind of arrangement when listen…

Is visited the USA just once (in 2003), but there was an old man that took my bag off the end of the luggage belt at the airport and handed it to me. I could easily have picked it up myself, but he was there for those 30 centimeters of bag travel. I remember being amazed about it and remarking the pointlessness of that job to my coworkers.

When several big planes clog US customs then there are no passengers to pick up bags from the luggage belt and it can fill in entirely.

So maybe this man is not needed all the time but definitely lack of somebody to unload the belt would cause problems.

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Is visited the USA just once (in 2003), but there was an old man that took my bag off the end of the luggage belt at the airport and handed it to me. I could easily have picked it up myself, but he was there for those 30 centimeters of bag travel. I remember being amazed about it and remarking the pointlessness of that job to my coworkers.

In the US you often see people holding a sign saying "slow" next to construction or road work. This is a job that could literally be automated with a pole :)

I once saw a memorable setup on a fairly desolate piece of Queensland highway: There were three flagmen (as they are or were called Down Under) spaced over with a few hundred meters between them, each with a flag warning me to slow down, roadwork ahead. At the other end three others, of course, to take care of traffic in the opposite direction.

But here's the thing: There wasn't any roadwork in between. There had been, but everything was neatly packed away.

Then again, I've worked in public administration. Nothing will shock me.

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post #256

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In the US you often see people holding a sign saying "slow" next to construction or road work. This is a job that could literally be automated with a pole :)

I once saw a memorable setup on a fairly desolate piece of Queensland highway: There were three flagmen (as they are or were called Down Under) spaced over with a few hundred meters between them, each with a flag warning me to slow down, roadwork ahead. At the other end three others, of course, to take care of traffic in the opposite direction. But here's the thing: There wasn't any roadwork in between. There had bee…

The first lollypop bearer in each direction was indicating the presence of five other people at work on the road.

Re: The rise of the pointless job

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Through my long career, I've notice virtually no correlation between my pay and the utility of my position. And indeed, I've had one or two jobs like yours. Sadly for my bank book, I can only stand being useless for relatively short stretches. I still reminisce about my lowest paying job, my first. It was probably the most enjoyable and satisfying. It was also useful, though perhaps not at the top of that list. It's…

There's an economic theory that job satisfaction is a kind of compensation. That is, you have to pay people more to do unsatisfying jobs.

There is such a theory, yes. It has obviously never encountered low-paying, shitty, backbreaking work on the factory floor.
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