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Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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> [1] when did this even become a word? Around 1996-7? Right around the time that HoTMaiL came about.

Fun trivia, it was built on pretty much 100% freebsd, before Microsoft acquired it.

Yep, I can still remember the clusterf#ck migration to Win2K.

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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The headline is misleading by itself. SquirrelMail is still getting security fixes and is under active (but slow) development.

Is it in a fork? The official site isn't updated since 2013 and Debian removed it in recent versions (jessie is the last to have it) because of that. Do you happen to know where the new versions and development are? Squirrelmail is by far my favorite webmail setup, i use it for almost 15 years now and exactly what i like about it is that it has remained pretty much the same all these years, so i'd like to make a manu…

My, perhaps incomplete, understanding is that you can just run the old thing if you can support PHP5. Otherwise you can run the eternal dev version, but you will have access to fewer plugins.

Added: It appears there is some version 1.4.23 (the old thing) that will run on PHP7. I am currently running 1.4.22 on PHP5 under OpenBSD with no problems. The problem seems to be in figuring out what version to run.

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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Assuming you have a clueful and attentive upstream ISP and a static /29 or something, running your own mail out of your closet with proper rDNS, spf and dkim probably has better chance of delivery success than the same software setup, but on a dedicated server sharing a /24 of IP space with clueless and occasionally abuse-generating neighboring customers in the same netblock.

I have all that except for delegated reverse DNS, but that hasn't been a problem (again, to my knowledge!).

You don't really need rDNS delegated to you (and I'm pretty sure that's not what walrus01 meant), just so long as you can set (or have your ISP set) the PTR RRs to match.

Correctly set PTR RRs can (will) make a huge difference (lots of MTAs will reject if FCrDNS fails).

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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I have all that except for delegated reverse DNS, but that hasn't been a problem (again, to my knowledge!).

You don't really need rDNS delegated to you (and I'm pretty sure that's not what walrus01 meant), just so long as you can set (or have your ISP set) the PTR RRs to match. Correctly set PTR RRs can (will) make a huge difference (lots of MTAs will reject if FCrDNS fails).

Functionally from an smtp perspective it doesn't really matter if the rDNS is delegated to you, just that it's set correctly... ordinarily it's something you only have to set the PTR record for once, even if you need to manually ask your upstream to do it for the /32 that is your server, get them to set it to mail.whateverdomainname.net

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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Suppose one was to write a decent webmail front-end, how exactly does one make enough money to sustain its development, even if it's a one or two person effort? I love open source but there's also a need for developers to live off what they make. Who has successfully made a webmail front end that they could sell?

> Who has successfully made a webmail front end that they could sell? FastMail, but they had to put a whole service behind it.

I wrote a successful Squirrelmail UI for the third largest Austrian ISP then. It was not sold, but used and liked. When I switched to working with cPanel I never thought of bringing along this patch, which was public decades ago, because I had more important things to do.

The other two options, roundcube and horde, which I updated recently at cPanel, are much better.

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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There was talk about integrating Mailpile into cPanel years ago[1] - I remember discussing it with an acquaintance who worked at cPanel at the time. I wonder why it never gained traction with either them, or any other web hosting/control panels? Plesk for example, which is probably cPanel's biggest competitor, exclusively bundles Roundcube. [1] https://features.cpanel.net/topic/add-mailpile-as-webmail-op...

I did some mail ui work while at cPanel. We have three options, the old Squirrelmail, the recently updated Horde, and Roundcube. That should be enough.

Squirrelmail was unmaintained, hence it's deprecated. I did maintain some patches decades ago, but don't work with PHP anymore for several years. And not with cPanel anymore either. Dropping squirrel was discussed 5 years ago already.

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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protonmail won my business (which is extremely hard to do because I'm a cheap) and I've been using the internet since 1992. I use to run elm on a terminal. They also have a VPN and when you email support, you basically get a 3rd level engineer response within an hour. I forward all my gmail mail to my proton account, and use it for personal and one of my business. I keep banking and bills on gmail for now.

Protonmail has no full-text search nor spam detection. Which you probably don't notice because you forward Gmail -> Protonmail. ;)

I use ProtonMail and don't forward through GMail. Spam isn't an issue, and the available search is good enough.

ProtonMail is easily one of the best mail services I've used; particularly now that there's an IMAP bridge.

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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Is cPanel itself still widely used?

It's really good when you host small Web sites and don't want to fiddle around much. Especially cause I can setup resellers who can manage their own accounts. Agencies use it a lot. There whole business can run on a couple of servers running cpanel with WordPress on each account.

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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Suppose one was to write a decent webmail front-end, how exactly does one make enough money to sustain its development, even if it's a one or two person effort? I love open source but there's also a need for developers to live off what they make. Who has successfully made a webmail front end that they could sell?

One example is Open-Xchange [https://www.open-xchange.com]

They make an open source webmail + drive + docs suite, and sell a commercial version (e.g. to ISPs). The software is great and they're still around, so it must be working out for them.

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