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Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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Post by walrus01 »

rhizome wrote: post #32
rcdmd wrote: post #4

Spam domain filters virtually killed self-hosted e-mail and what I presume was their major use case.

I've run my own email out of my closet for close to 20 years and have no problem sending. I think DKIM/SPF probably help a lot, but I really can't say, as I've never been blocked (to my knowledge).

Assuming you have a clueful and attentive upstream ISP and a static /29 or something, running your own mail out of your closet with proper rDNS, spf and dkim probably has better chance of delivery success than the same software setup, but on a dedicated server sharing a /24 of IP space with clueless and occasionally abuse-generating neighboring customers in the same netblock.

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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Post by walrus01 »

rcdmd wrote: post #4

Spam domain filters virtually killed self-hosted e-mail and what I presume was their major use case.

IMHO if you do network engineering it's worth knowing the intricacies of modern SMTP setups. It is not that hard to build a wholly self hosted Postfix setup that has:

Working reverse DNS

SPF

DKIM signing

TLS1.2 transport to and from other smtpd, negotiated opportunistically. You can use a letsencrypt certificate.

Is definitely not an open relay

Requires TLS1.2 + SASL auth of your username and password to send outgoing mail (I use the same account credentials that are also my dovecot IMAPS account)

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

#43

Post by teddyh »

BeetleB wrote: post #20
passthejoe wrote: post #9

Roundcube is good enough. The only problem with my cPanel-powered shared hosting is that filtering isn't part of the Roundcube application but is taken care of by another cPanel app(let). I'd rather have it all in Roundcube.

Roundcube doesn't handle large inboxes well. Squirrelmail had this nice option where I could set a BCC for every email - I BCC all my emails to myself (hack to get around another problem). Roundcube has no such option. In my experience, I have seen no benefit that Roundcube has (feature-wise) other than being prettier.

> Squirrelmail had this nice option where I could set a BCC for every email

I can see such an option in Roundcube 1.2.3. Under Settings/Identities/[WhateverIdentity] there is a “BCC” field, which seems to be exactly what you want.

(This is not an endorsement of Roundcube – I use Gnus myself.)

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

#44

Post by rhizome »

walrus01 wrote: post #41
rhizome wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've run my own email out of my closet for close to 20 years and have no problem sending. I think DKIM/SPF probably help a lot, but I really can't say, as I've never been blocked (to my knowledge).

Assuming you have a clueful and attentive upstream ISP and a static /29 or something, running your own mail out of your closet with proper rDNS, spf and dkim probably has better chance of delivery success than the same software setup, but on a dedicated server sharing a /24 of IP space with clueless and occasionally abuse-generating neighboring customers in the same netblock.

I have all that except for delegated reverse DNS, but that hasn't been a problem (again, to my knowledge!).

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

#45

Post by creeble »

jasonjayr wrote: post #39
BeetleB wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roundcube doesn't handle large inboxes well. Squirrelmail had this nice option where I could set a BCC for every email - I BCC all my emails to myself (hack to get around another problem). Roundcube has no such option. In my experience, I have seen no benefit that Roundcube has (feature-wise) other than being prettier.

How .... large? I thought my 50k-70k inbox was huge, but I just typically order by date reversed ...

I probably have a 30k folder myself, and Roundcube still seems snappy.

I generally like it, but for some reason wish there were other things to try. Mailpile is a stand-alone server and thus is more complex to install and run (or at least that was my experience the one time I tried).

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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Post by newsat13 »

m-p-3 wrote: post #6
martin1975 wrote: post #2

Suppose one was to write a decent webmail front-end, how exactly does one make enough money to sustain its development, even if it's a one or two person effort? I love open source but there's also a need for developers to live off what they make. Who has successfully made a webmail front end that they could sell?

What about https://sogo.nu ?

sogo stable builds are closed.

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

#48

Post by delbel »

martin1975 wrote: post #2

Suppose one was to write a decent webmail front-end, how exactly does one make enough money to sustain its development, even if it's a one or two person effort? I love open source but there's also a need for developers to live off what they make. Who has successfully made a webmail front end that they could sell?

protonmail won my business (which is extremely hard to do because I'm a cheap) and I've been using the internet since 1992. I use to run elm on a terminal. They also have a VPN and when you email support, you basically get a 3rd level engineer response within an hour. I forward all my gmail mail to my proton account, and use it for personal and one of my business. I keep banking and bills on gmail for now.

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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Post by always_good »

delbel wrote: post #48
martin1975 wrote: post #2

Suppose one was to write a decent webmail front-end, how exactly does one make enough money to sustain its development, even if it's a one or two person effort? I love open source but there's also a need for developers to live off what they make. Who has successfully made a webmail front end that they could sell?

protonmail won my business (which is extremely hard to do because I'm a cheap) and I've been using the internet since 1992. I use to run elm on a terminal. They also have a VPN and when you email support, you basically get a 3rd level engineer response within an hour. I forward all my gmail mail to my proton account, and use it for personal and one of my business. I keep banking and bills on gmail for now.

Protonmail has no full-text search nor spam detection.

Which you probably don't notice because you forward Gmail -> Protonmail. ;)

Re: SquirrelMail is being removed from cPanel

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Post by ejrv »

There was talk about integrating Mailpile into cPanel years ago[1] - I remember discussing it with an acquaintance who worked at cPanel at the time. I wonder why it never gained traction with either them, or any other web hosting/control panels? Plesk for example, which is probably cPanel's biggest competitor, exclusively bundles Roundcube.

[1] https://features.cpanel.net/topic/add-mailpile-as-webmail-op...

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