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China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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Cars. Absolutely no doubt they need to be in that industry.

Cars are pretty firmly in iPhone slow growth territory. If anything we expect to have less of them in the future.

Self driving cars will be high growth.

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Cars. Absolutely no doubt they need to be in that industry.

How would Apple improve ease of use or add high tech functionality?

Self driving luxury cars. Apple is second to none in focusing on design.

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Almost any $200+ phone made since 2015 has a pretty good camera, screen, speed for most people. Why upgrade when what you have is good enough? One used to check out gizmodo/engadget when a new phone came out but seems not anymore as "the new" is only incremental.

Well said, I've rebuilt my nexus 5 (3 times)

It was once driven over by a car and I swapped the innards. The motherboard died and I swapped that out. Then I replaced the battery. I've a backup nexus 5 and spare battery waiting. I want to get my money's worth. Upgrading every 2/3 yrs is nuts with how much these cost. I'm pushing for every 6 yrs unless a device truly revolutionary is released. No such device has been released.

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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The Chinese market is different. Chinese carriers offer minimal subsidies, so most customers are paying close to full retail for their phones and aren't tightly coupled to a two-year upgrade cycle. Used phones are a popular choice for value-oriented customers. Repair is the norm rather than the exception, so most customers will replace a cracked screen or a weak battery rather than just disposing of their phone. Labo…

> consumers are starting to wise-up to the benefits of paying cash for a mid-range device rather than taking the "free" upgrade when their contract expires. What "free phones" they are all leased now. There might not be a monthly fee but at the end of the lease their is a buy out to be paid. My wife's Essential phone (SHE HATES IT) is $6 a month for 24 months and then $430 if she want to keep this crash prone phone.

you can buy brand new unlocked essential for 350$ so what you write makes no sense to pay for used phone more than it's cost of brand new

your wife should break such contract

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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I wonder how much of AAPL growth is iPhone sales volume and how much is investors anticipating the next big product category. A cable TV disrupting service hasn't materialized thanks to content owners fear of repeating iTunes's dominance and effective resistance. Cars are hard to build. Medical devices are highly regulated.

Not much, Apples p/e is 17.99 that's not expecting much growth. They simply make insane and slightly growing profit year after year. Honestly they may be undervalued relative to tech stocks as even Microsoft has a p/e of 25.07.

Maybe that's why Buffett is buying more shares.

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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> consumers are starting to wise-up to the benefits of paying cash for a mid-range device rather than taking the "free" upgrade when their contract expires. What "free phones" they are all leased now. There might not be a monthly fee but at the end of the lease their is a buy out to be paid. My wife's Essential phone (SHE HATES IT) is $6 a month for 24 months and then $430 if she want to keep this crash prone phone.

you can buy brand new unlocked essential for 350$ so what you write makes no sense to pay for used phone more than it's cost of brand new your wife should break such contract

Can break a lease. If you do you pay the full price of the balance. The only thing we can do is after the lease is over we get a new lease.

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The Apple Watch is probably a rounding error when compared to the iPhone, however: "But the most interesting stuff came when Cook referred to the success of Apple Watch. The Watch sales are part of the wearables business which also includes headphones such as Beats and AirPods. Last May, he said that business is approaching the size of a Fortune 500 company. More recently, last month, the size had crept up so it woul…

Thing is the Apple Watch is viewed as a status symbol primarily, despite Apple's marketing and messaging stating its a health monitoring/heads up display type device. Many of the people who buy it have no idea that it'll catch some potentially imminently fatal health conditions: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5683089/Apple-Watc... Its impressive how many people buy the Apple Watch without understanding wha…

I'd hardly call a 200 dollar watch a status symbol by any stretch of the imagination

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You can't clear chats? iMessage has a similar issue and you solve it by deleting the chat and then rejoining / continuing it again.

There isn't automatic conversation trimming? This is a feature Signal added years ago, I'm surprised iMessage doesn't have it. Then again, Apple seems to have the whole iMessage platform in maintenance mode, the biggest updates are emojis, no giphy integration or new features coming out biweekly or anything like that.

iMessage does have it on iOS - you can set it to keep 30 days, 1 year, or unlimited. It also supports apps and comes with a GIF app out of the box.

iMessage on the Mac however, is utter unmaintained garbage.

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Facebook app was 600MB on my girlfriend's phone. Unbelievable. What the hell does Facebook need 600MB for? (granted it was the mostly the data but it made her phone run like crap because the data is stored in internal storage, not on SD card). I cleared the data and it was back to 150MB in less that an hour. So off course people feel like their phones run like crap with apps like that. I mean even a $50 phone today i…

>What the hell does Facebook need 600MB for? Cache. Phones have limited storage, but they're also limited by bandwidth, latency and power. If the Facebook app did no caching it'd run slower, consume more battery and eat up the data allowance of people on limited plans.

Especially if you've left autoplay video on, you're going to have weeks worth of people's timeline videos cached in there

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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Almost any $200+ phone made since 2015 has a pretty good camera, screen, speed for most people. Why upgrade when what you have is good enough? One used to check out gizmodo/engadget when a new phone came out but seems not anymore as "the new" is only incremental.

It really makes this "old" guy miss the days when Nokia et al would bring out all kinds of wacky attempts at phones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3650 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_SX1 These days they all seems to be some variant of a glass slab. Damn it, the most used apps are "variants" of SMS and MMS in HD...

I think this was my favorite "weird" Nokia phone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_7600

That and Sony Ericssons crazy "transparent" phone https://i2.wp.com/techpatio.com/wp-content/uploads/sony_eric...

The mobile market back then was just so much more interesting than now

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