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Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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Why do these articles always have to mention Russia, fake news and the 2016 US election? I've noticed this pattern a while ago and it's always somewhere in the second paragraph.

What a crappy useless article. I sincerely doubt it was written by anyone honestly searching for solutions to the named problems.

Reading it feels like having a priest going through your life trying to craft "sins" from everything you broke when life was moving fast. The only person this is helping is the priest of course- it does not solve any problem, it does not stabilize anything.

Makes me wish there was a way to warn follow up users of wasted time on HN.

Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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> One can easily imagine a version of Facebook that embraces the principles of tech humanism while remaining a profitable and powerful monopoly. In fact, these principles could make Facebook even more profitable and powerful, by opening up new business opportunities.

I'm sorry but I can't.

Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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Don’t worry. I believe breaking the internet up back into small parts is a going to be a big trend in the coming years.

I've started using hidden services a lot more recently. They remind me of the internet I remember from 1998-2006. I wouldn't say it's the 'old' internet, because I wasn't alive for the supposed glory days of arpanet, but it definitely has the sleazy, probably illegal, never say who I am irl vibe I remember and miss.

What kind of hidden services? You mean stuff like Tor?

Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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I think the logic is that those who caused the problem won't fix it (or they would have already). They have financial interest in not fixing it. Though I do expect a mix of voluntary and forced improvements, now that there is awareness. That's not a very daring prediction because both have already started ;)

The business model of using targeted advertising as the main source of revenue will always be at odds with protecting user data privacy, and same goes for not making users addicted to the service. These companies may say they will protect privacy and not make you addicted, but that goes against their financial interests.

Sure, but it helps that they are being watched, which aligns good behavior with their self-interest. Seems to be the only factor promoting good behavior at Facebook. Other companies seem to have leaders with more genuinely good intentions (e.g. Google - not Eric Schmidt, but Larry Page and Sergey Brin).

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I think a big part of it was that the internet still had a lot of artifacts from the pre-advertising model days. I think we're being blindsided by just how bad the side effects of the advertising model are for media. In general, not just for the internet. It's done unbelievable damage to our culture, but it's slow and indirect and difficult to predict or quantify. Like asbestos, tetraethyl lead, carbon dioxide, etc.…

Pharma advertising is something which has probably had significant negative effects, at least on American society.

Last in, first out. Let's get rid of the medical adverts first. There's nothing reasonable they can even possibly say in their defense.

Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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I've started using hidden services a lot more recently. They remind me of the internet I remember from 1998-2006. I wouldn't say it's the 'old' internet, because I wasn't alive for the supposed glory days of arpanet, but it definitely has the sleazy, probably illegal, never say who I am irl vibe I remember and miss.

What kind of hidden services? You mean stuff like Tor?

Probably talking more about obscure forums, blog and tiny webshops. Just like a decade+ ago.

Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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Don’t worry. I believe breaking the internet up back into small parts is a going to be a big trend in the coming years.

Breaking the internet? No. Breaking huge near-monopolies into smaller companies - I'd love to see it happen, but it never will.

That’s what I meant, but I think it won’t happen through regulation but through new companies

Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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Don’t worry. I believe breaking the internet up back into small parts is a going to be a big trend in the coming years.

I'm curious why you think that, since I don't see any mass-scale incentive pointing in that direction.

It's a hunch. People are not happy the way it is now, at least people on the fringes. Technology allows for disintegration and decentralized services today
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