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Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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Why do these articles always have to mention Russia, fake news and the 2016 US election? I've noticed this pattern a while ago and it's always somewhere in the second paragraph.

I think they are the the most visible symptoms of a disease that has been growing for the past decade or so. They were a wakeup call to a lot of non-tech people on how much power social media/big data can have.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It happened, but they conglomerated back together. And they captured all the regulatory bodies this time. We are going to have to get creative or settle in and prepare for an eternal reaming.

yeah, they learned from Microsoft's mistakes. You have to pay the bribes.

I don't remember Microsoft being broken up.

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This made me kind of nostalgic of the pre-Facebook days. I liked that version of the internet…

I think a big part of it was that the internet still had a lot of artifacts from the pre-advertising model days. I think we're being blindsided by just how bad the side effects of the advertising model are for media. In general, not just for the internet. It's done unbelievable damage to our culture, but it's slow and indirect and difficult to predict or quantify. Like asbestos, tetraethyl lead, carbon dioxide, etc.…

Pharma advertising is something which has probably had significant negative effects, at least on American society.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Trump winning is the real issue behind all of these articles. There would be no "Big Tech" backlash (or a lot less of it) if Hillary had won.

It started before then and it exists outside the US as well.

People outside of the US are aware of what happened, and Russia has been targeting other countries elections as well (France, Germany, etc.).

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This made me kind of nostalgic of the pre-Facebook days. I liked that version of the internet…

That somehow made me think of the viagra ads as an indicator of a changing of eras.

The viagra ads were a product of a time when the goal was to immediately and directly sell things. Now the era has shifted to one where the goal is to sell your information to people that want to sell you things (or otherwise use that information to further their ends). So instead of spamming you with viagra ads you're spammed with requests to divulge information at every turn you make. Register for this, register for that, give us your email address, let us access your location, let us send you an SMS (aka let us have your phone number), login with your facebook account, talk about yourself, and so much more.

Think I preferred viagra spam.

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If history is any guide, regulation will strengthen the incumbents. This would prevent people from moving to decentralized platforms like Mastodon: https://joinmastodon.org/

There is a threat worse than the power of Google or Facebook. It's the threat of the surveillance state. Just look at how China is implementing a ranking system for its citizens. Regulation that strengthens the incumbents will pave the way for it, since it will concentrate everybody's data into a few regulated data brokers.

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This made me kind of nostalgic of the pre-Facebook days. I liked that version of the internet…

Don’t worry. I believe breaking the internet up back into small parts is a going to be a big trend in the coming years.

I'm curious why you think that, since I don't see any mass-scale incentive pointing in that direction.

Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, they learned from Microsoft's mistakes. You have to pay the bribes.

I don't remember Microsoft being broken up.

They got lucky. Thomas Penfield Jackson ordered the company broken up. The Bush Administration is plausibly the only reason Microsoft remained one company.

June 7th, 2000:

"A federal judge today ordered Microsoft Corp. split into two companies, prescribing the biggest corporate breakup since AT&T while harshly rebuking the software giant for stifling computer-age competition. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20000607/aponl...

Then Microsoft and the DOJ made a deal on November 2nd 2001. Bush won the Presidency November 7th 2001. It's very likely the Clinton DOJ made a deal to ensure all of their hard work - indeed their victory - couldn't be easily reversed by the dramatically more business friendly Bush Administration if he were to win.

http://time.com/3553242/microsoft-monopoly/

Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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This made me kind of nostalgic of the pre-Facebook days. I liked that version of the internet…

Don’t worry. I believe breaking the internet up back into small parts is a going to be a big trend in the coming years.

I've started using hidden services a lot more recently.

They remind me of the internet I remember from 1998-2006.

I wouldn't say it's the 'old' internet, because I wasn't alive for the supposed glory days of arpanet, but it definitely has the sleazy, probably illegal, never say who I am irl vibe I remember and miss.

Re: Why Silicon Valley can’t fix itself

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If history is any guide, regulation will strengthen the incumbents. This would prevent people from moving to decentralized platforms like Mastodon: https://joinmastodon.org/ There is a threat worse than the power of Google or Facebook. It's the threat of the surveillance state. Just look at how China is implementing a ranking system for its citizens. Regulation that strengthens the incumbents will pave the way for it…

Of course it will. It's why Walmart aggressively supports higher minimum wage laws. It's why Zuckerberg had no concerns about advocating for increased regulation, during his testimony he was overly eager to support it.

They all know they can comply and influence the rules - as they're crafted - enough to ensure they can deal with them just fine, but their smaller competitors can't or will struggle.

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