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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by jakeogh » Wed, May 02, 2018, 10:36 AM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #106

donohoe wrote: post #103

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Not quite. The EU might want that but it gets into jurisdiction. The EU cannot enforce its law on entities that are entirely US based. It can only enforce it on non-EU sites if that site has some sort of business that’s within the EU (like offices or employees).

The EU can say that some businesses are so uncompliant with GDPR that they're not able to be used by EU companies. It seems weird to chose to limit your market just because you don't want to protect user data. See also changes to "safe harbour".

"protect user data" is a odd way to say "force you to forget something"

We are merging with our creations, and will laugh at this "AI" thing when we realize it's us. The WOGPC is really a struggle for self.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by jakeogh » Wed, May 02, 2018, 10:43 AM UTC

dorian-graph wrote: post #202

Over the last year I've come to trust effectively nothing on the internet. I've had so many Spotify playlists I was following disappear, whole artists, websites, articles, etc. I'm slowly moving to offline-first versions of all the information I care about. Edit: This change too also lends to the 'slow web' (or just slow $whatever) movement, which I'm a fan of.

Me too. Practically every video I have seen since ~2012 went through youtube-dl, along with 100x more that I didn't watch. The memory hole is real, I plan to post my kit sometime, there's a few pieces on github (until?) already. I suspect the majority of the material I deliberately archived will be gone on YT, it's somewhere around 20% and it's going to hit 50. A big chunk is historically significant.

There is a serious push to criminalize memory. The GPDR is the latest attack. It's a huge problem for power centers that people can so effectively lookup the past themselves independent of what was deleted. Archive.org is a gold canary and they know it. They must partner with other people willing to accept copies, it's too easy and valuable to attack them otherwise.

btw (unrelated to video): https://github.com/bup/bup is awesome.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by cjmoran » Wed, May 02, 2018, 10:50 AM UTC

arnvidr wrote: post #299

Doxterpepper wrote: post #267

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If you have Spotify premium then yes. I've had premium for some time now so I don't know if it's changed but without premium shuffle is always toggled. So without premium you could listen to dark side of the moon, but it'd be out of order.

Shuffle? I've never encountered forced shuffle on my free account. Is this some kind of 'the mobile version is worse' thing?

Yup, for some reason you can select individual songs on the desktop client even using a free account. Not the case on mobile.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by pdkl95 » Wed, May 02, 2018, 11:07 AM UTC

onetimemanytime wrote: post #300

pdkl95 wrote: post #288

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> If it's mine I can publish and monetize it. Yes , you can[1][2] monetize (resell) your copy . You do not have the right to make new copies. This ability is granted explicitly[3] in 17 U.S. Code § 109 (a): >> [...] the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispos…

You are not a lawyer and that's obvious, too bad you try to act like one with citations and outlandish statements. If I post an article on mysite.org on "free trade" and you think you can archive it and copy and re-distribute it for eternity, you better think it again. The implied license is to read the article from my site, for as long as it is posted there--in MY site. Now, if I become a US President and someone ha…

> you think you can archive it and copy and re-distribute it for eternity

Did you read my post? I specifically said you couldn't.

>> You do not have the right to make new copies.

Copy rights are separate from your property rights related to your copy of a work.

> You are not a lawyer

Yes, although I have been studying copyright issues since the early 1990s. I'm not saying anything remotely controversial in current interpretations of copyright law.

Incidentally, a new interpretation that is slowly being accepted by courts is misuse of copyright[1]. Based on the older patent misuse, the idea is having a copyright only grants rights related to creating new copies of a work. Claiming that copyright somehow also grants you other totally unrelated right can result in the court preventing the copyright holder from enforcing their copyright[2]. Relying on misinformation about copyright can have serious consequences.

> too bad you try to act like one

You're seeing what you want to see. Providing references to what you're talking about is encouraged on HN.

[1] Lasercomb America, Inc. v. Reynolds

[2] https://apps.americanbar.org/litigation/litigationnews/pract...

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by solarkraft » Wed, May 02, 2018, 11:44 AM UTC

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #268

twostoned wrote: post #217

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Yes. The debate is gone. Young people have a much different view of 'ownership' (I struggled for a better word) than older people. For example, I remember the copyright, file sharing, music piracy arguments and debates from the 90s (Metallica, Napster! Hah) and 00s. But when I talk about this stuff now with people in their early 20s there seems to be less awareness. DRM & 'Stream everything' are the way it is, as if…

In a science fiction novel I wrote, the main character has trouble understanding the concept of data that has a physical location; to her, it's something that's just there. While I don't know if the real world will be that extreme, I don't think it's at all impossible. I think over the long term -- and maybe not even all that long -- it's probably inevitable. It does require some mind-shifts on all sides, including t…

> In a science fiction novel I wrote

care to link it?

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by jakeogh » Wed, May 02, 2018, 12:01 PM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #251

SllX wrote: post #206

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Not GDPR-specific, but France.com had its web domain seized by France recently[1]. It was a private US-based business (not a squatter) that the government of France had actually cooperated with for years, until they suddenly decided it violated French trademark law and seized the domain. The domain itself had been in one person's possession since 1994. Enforcement of national laws is very much a thing across borders,…

Any domain can be seized, it is not your property.

Clearly. Can we name the real DNS owner? It changed hands kinda recently...

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by tankenmate » Wed, May 02, 2018, 1:23 PM UTC

drchaos wrote: post #248

tankenmate wrote: post #125

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Actually the recommended data handling says you should specifically state the purpose for needing the data, and that it should be reasonably limited to that need; i.e. if you don't need it any more you should pro-actively delete it.[0] [0] https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisations/documents/1475/de... Pages 4-6

They do have a legitimate interest (in the sense of article 6(1) of the GDPR), namely providing an internet archive.

I would agree in the case of the wayback machine they have a very strong case under article 6(1).

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by pavel_lishin » Wed, May 02, 2018, 1:33 PM UTC

OrganicMSG wrote: post #297

pavel_lishin wrote: post #188

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> and thus my integrity has to suffer. What sort of integrity is it, that can be adjusted by erasing your past actions, to hide the mistakes you've made and only present the successes?

That was put well enough to make me wince on reading. Ever thought of going into politics?

Nah, I think Google has documented my integrity well enough to make that a non-starter :)

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by MrMember » Wed, May 02, 2018, 2:59 PM UTC

JackCh wrote: post #295

MrMember wrote: post #230

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I feel like music is one of the few pieces of media that's very easy to buy DRM free. Movies, TV shows, books, and most other things are heavily encumbered after you "buy" them.

It's a pretty shitty state of affairs, but for ebooks what I've done is purchase an old model kindle and buy ebooks for it. I then crack that DRM using Calibre (easy to do with the old model kindles, you only need to enter the serial number). This has worked to archive all the books I've purchased so far but there may come a time when Amazon will only deliver ebooks to kindles with stronger DRM. I don't feel bad abou…

I do the same with audiobooks from Audible, though the cracking process is a bit more complicated. I have no moral qualms about ensuring I will always have a copy of something I bought even if I leave the platform I bought it on or that platform goes under.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by eneveu » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:24 PM UTC

ryanSrich wrote: post #225

dorian-graph wrote: post #202

Over the last year I've come to trust effectively nothing on the internet. I've had so many Spotify playlists I was following disappear, whole artists, websites, articles, etc. I'm slowly moving to offline-first versions of all the information I care about. Edit: This change too also lends to the 'slow web' (or just slow $whatever) movement, which I'm a fan of.

One of the first things I do with any article that I've enjoyed is download an HTML copy and create a PDF. Too many times I've bookmarked something only to come back a year later and it's gone.

I use [Pinboard](https://pinboard.in/) to bookmark interesting pages. It archives a copy of the page for private use, which I can access later if the page is deleted.