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Re: Against Facebook

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Post by zerostar07 »

joslin01 wrote: post #59
zerostar07 wrote: post #39

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> media-driven neuroticism—a love of change for its own sake, or neomania, a love of new things. Ultimately, neomania together with the media has a negative effect on our moods, which isn’t surprising considering most of what makes the daily news is negative. This leaves us feeling powerless, like the world is falling apart. So we turn to social media to witness the (seemingly) beautiful lives of celebrities, and the…

That signal to noise quote is actually great, and one of the reasons why the late Aaron Schwartz refused to read the news. He said in one of his essays it's far more valuable to read books, and basically explained in more words, the signal to noise problem.

can you explain how the logic is not flawed? If you are consuming 50% SNR news, it will be 50% regardless of whether you read once a day or once an hour

Re: Against Facebook

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Post by majewsky »

autokad wrote: post #57
insickness wrote: post #52

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The social value lost is one-on-one development of friendships. Let's say I find something interesting. Without social media, I might share this one-on-one with my friends. I'll text a link to Joe, email a link to Jane and share it in person when I see Mike. Instead, with social media, I post it on my timeline. Since I'm 'friends' with Joe, Jane and Mike on Facebook, I won't share it with them individual and I lose o…

I sometimes use the share as message feature. Now I rarely share something on my timeine, and my timeline is becoming space as time goes on.

> my timeline is becoming space as time goes on

Is this a typo, or extremely poetic and I'm just failing to parse it?

Re: Against Facebook

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Post by majewsky »

jimmy1 wrote: post #36
amelius wrote: post #17

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> the headline, topic sentences and conclusion all call out Facebook pretty much exclusively. Perhaps because it's the easiest target and otherwise the general public might feel overwhelmed, and think that the fight for privacy is futile.

> fight for privacy is futile See I always disagree with these sentiments. Again like everything in America it's about political action. Problem #1: Not enough people vote. You can break that down into, I see it, 3 buckets. 1. People are content enough with the way things are going, and trust they will keep going so they don't waste their time, or rely on the "wisdom of the crowd" 2. People are lethargic of the issue…

> 3 buckets

4. People don't feel self-efficacy, i.e. that their vote is having an effect. (Esp. in a two-party system where, if you don't like either big party, you're basically fucked.)

Re: Against Facebook

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Post by ryandrake »

some_account wrote: post #60
dnomad wrote: post #55

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See, 'microwork' is flawed. Facebook doesn't really benefit from the endless stream of likes and comments and sharing. Facebook couldn't care less what you like or what you actually think about current events or what your mood is or who your friends are or whether you're single. The "work" you're doing by telling Facebook this is not for Facebook's benefit. The "content" is not the point. Facebook can monetize the da…

Very well written but it's only if you are still within the matrix that Facebook even matters to your life. I see teenagers checking their little phones every minute on Instagram or Facebook and I think it's sad, but they will learn from it. Currently human kind is learning what it feels like to require random likes from strangers in order to feel happy. At the same time a lot of people feel nervous in real life beca…

As someone not in the prison, it feels wonderful to not have to deal with this whole class of problems that come with being on these platforms.

How many times I’ve obsessed over taking the perfect selfie: ZERO

How many times I’ve posted a status update and worried about how many “likes” I got: ZERO

How many times I’ve felt anxiety over who to friend or unfriend: ZERO

It is great to actually have time to live my life rather than to always be promoting and marketing it!

Re: Against Facebook

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Post by majewsky »

LinuxBender wrote: post #24
ProAm wrote: post #15

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5 steps is too many

This is actually true now. I set up a mumble voice chat server. It is about 3 steps to set up your login. Nobody would use it. They use discord which is super happy-clicky and logs all messages forever. I predict Discord will be the next FB discussion.

> Discord will be the next FB discussion.

It's already sorta current: Discord's brother-in-spirit Slack is already past the hype and way into the Trough of Disillusionment with more and more people complaining about chat killing their ability to focus at work.

Re: Against Facebook

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Post by bowlich »

alex_young wrote: post #8

> Media Consumption Strike ... > No TV/Netflix/Youtube > No radio > No podcasts > No social media, delete your Facebook account > No messaging/chat > No idle web browsing > No news aggregation sites > No gaming > No using a computer if it is not directly related to creating or resisting (not consuming) Seems kind of extreme to me. Article mentions that our "attention has been colonized". Maybe focus a little more on…

Any one of those items could be problematic depending on the individual. I see it (particularly in light of the following paragraph) as a call to me mindful and intentional about your media consumption.

Me and my spouse watch a movie together every Friday night. It becomes a conversation piece as we go through the rest of the weekend. It is one thing among many things we might do together or with friends through the weekend. Some couples that I know will binge watch an entire television series through the weekend. It becomes the only thing that they do -- it carries them from the end of the work day on Friday to work on Monday in an unreflective daze. I can understand the need to unwind, but at some juncture you've gone from unwinding to simply filling time, hardly eudaimonia.

For myself, the problems has been news aggregation (I read too much, reflect on what I read too little) and social media (makes me lonely, when I could better be using the time to talk with and make friends).

If you are just there to fill the void, then maybe it would be better to work at becoming comfortable with the void.

Re: Against Facebook

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Post by 0xADADA »

kristianc wrote: post #44

> Social media companies like Facebook, Google, Twitter and Snapchat have created a marketplace for our attention, where we become the product sold to advertisers who subtly change our behaviour to buy products and services for their own benefit. As opposed to what? There has always been a marketplace for our attention, and our attention has always been sold for profit. The only thing that has changed is the medium.…

> Merely stating 'we are the product' doesn't make an argument.

I dont think i merely stated "we are the product"

> As for 'microwork', haven't we always done a lot of objectively pointless stuff, norms, social customs because together they make the world we live in a little more pleasant for ourselves? Why yes we have.

We've always done pointless stuff, but the engagements (microwork) we do on social media may _seem_ pointless to us, but to Facebook it creates the value they sell.

Re: Against Facebook

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Post by 0xADADA »

ch_sm wrote: post #22

> Twitter invents the “pull-to-refresh” UI gesture that leverages variable rewards to trigger addictive behavior as a way to increase user engagement with the timeline; Facebook invents the “red dot” notifications that keep people checking their phone for the next new thing. two minor corrections: 1) pull-to-refresh was not invented by Twitter, but by Tweetie, a third-party Twitter client. 2) The "red dot" for notifi…

thanks, i'll make these updates.

Re: Against Facebook

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Post by 0xADADA »

gnarcoregrizz wrote: post #42

I'm hopeful that platforms like Brave Browser/BAT (Basic Attention Token) will take off, to allow people to more directly monetize their attention, so that 'unpaid microwork' will become 'microwork.' I don't know how much demand there is for it though, since people seem content to consume endless amounts of social media for free. On the advertising (rather than consumption) side, people will advertise stuff in hopes…

> I don't know how much demand there is for it though, since people seem content to consume endless amounts of social media for free.

It is my hope that this changes over time as people realize the value of their attention.

> I'm hopeful that platforms like Brave Browser/BAT (Basic Attention Token) will take off.

I wrote about Brave BAT in more detail: https://0xadada.pub/2017/12/10/how-do-not-track-and-gdpr-pro...

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