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Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #94

When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

Why not publish a retraction and list the reasons why you no longer think the post is correct instead of trying to hide from it? Maybe someone will learn something that way...

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Over the last year I've come to trust effectively nothing on the internet. I've had so many Spotify playlists I was following disappear, whole artists, websites, articles, etc.

I'm slowly moving to offline-first versions of all the information I care about. Edit: This change too also lends to the 'slow web' (or just slow $whatever) movement, which I'm a fan of.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When I delete an article from my blog It's not yours anymore once it's public. It's like saying "when I do something crazy in public I want to be able to make everyone forget about it later on". That's not how things are supposed to work. > I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore People can still have local copies so you have absolutely NO CONTROL.

> People can still have local copies Yes, but under current copyright laws they are not allowed to distribute them without your consent.

Depending on the license. If you have a CC-BY-SA or public domain at the bottom, then you're allowing people a legal right to keep a copy.

In practice, the nature of the web allows everyone to keep copies of everything if they want. But if someone republishes it, then you need to use the DMCA process (for American websites) to take that content down if it violates copyright.

Going back to print, what if you print something you don't want out there anymore? Well if people have already bought your book or magazine, they have bought a right to that physical copy. They can even sell the book or magazine to anyone else (granted that the content isn't illegal).

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#204
post #94

When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

> When I delete an article from my blog It's not yours anymore once it's public. It's like saying "when I do something crazy in public I want to be able to make everyone forget about it later on". That's not how things are supposed to work. > I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore People can still have local copies so you have absolutely NO CONTROL.

> It's like saying "when I do something crazy in public I want to be able to make everyone forget about it later on". That's not how things are supposed to work.

Says who?

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #101
post #31

I don't really see why this is a deal. If I decide I want to delete the content I put on Medium I very well want them to delete it everywhere else as well. One could read that as "Medium tries to protect their users content".

Completely agree with your comment, not sure why you're being downvoted. A blog is the same thing as a facebook account, would you like it if you couldn't delete your pictures on facebook?

A blog is not like a Facebook post. It's more like writing an essay, publishing it in a book, and then asking libraries to burn their copy of the book.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are missing the point. The EU makes laws that govern - and at least try to - protect its citizens. If a document on the archive is created by a European citizen, then it is under EU law. That's why every company in the world right now that deals with European citizens is working on supporting GDPR. That also applies here.

Sorry, but the EU has no teeth here to enforce its laws on entities that exist outside the EU. When the first purely US based company is successfully fined or shut down by the EU I’ll believe in their ability to enforce GDPR.

Not GDPR-specific, but France.com had its web domain seized by France recently[1]. It was a private US-based business (not a squatter) that the government of France had actually cooperated with for years, until they suddenly decided it violated French trademark law and seized the domain. The domain itself had been in one person's possession since 1994.

Enforcement of national laws is very much a thing across borders, so private businesses outside the EU are right to be apprehensive about what is going to happen as GDPR enforcement ramps up.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/04/france-seizes-fr...

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #137
post #105

I think this is more likely to be unintentional. As another comment mentioned, article.is isn't affected. If you want to remove things from the Internet Archive, you can do so using your robots.txt: https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#14 https://www.fightcyberstalking.org/how-to-block-your-website...

robots.txt is really only supposed to be used for blocking the Internet Archives first snapshot, and not to remove existing snapshots – and even this might not be the case in the future as they try to preserve most snapshots. They made a few policy changes last year[1] to how they handle robots.txt files, to handle cases where a domain is sold and a new robots.txt file would result in deleting old data among other th…

Hmm, that may be what it's meant for, but pretty sure it can currently be used to block things retroactively too. IA may still have it in the archive, but won't let viewers view it.

As happened in this case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16919017

No? The article you linked says they've stopped paying attention to robots.txt for US government and military sites, but it looks like it still retroactively removes visibility for everything else.

I guess IA could change their practices. If medium or people like them start actively using robots.txt to try to retroactively remove things from visibility in the archive, perhaps IA will change their practices/policy. I would welcome it.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#209

Over the last year I've come to trust effectively nothing on the internet. I've had so many Spotify playlists I was following disappear, whole artists, websites, articles, etc. I'm slowly moving to offline-first versions of all the information I care about. Edit: This change too also lends to the 'slow web' (or just slow $whatever) movement, which I'm a fan of.

The problem is, it's getting harder every day to find DRM-free content. For audio, CDs are getting out of fashion, and piracy channels lack the seeders because everybody is on Spotify.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

#210
> So it looks like Medium has embedded a method to frustrate the casual user of Wayback Machine from seeing articles that their authors have removed from the original site.

It strikes me as less likely that Medium is doing something intentional to prevent reading deleted articles, and more likely that the author of this post is making assumptions.

Besides, archive.org has a policy of respecting copyright. All you have to do is ask them to not re-publish, and they will. No need to engineer wacky redirects that don’t work anyway.

http://archive.org/about/faqs.php#20

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