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Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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No. I took the view that a much more intelligent HN user would do that for me.

Expect a promotion soon.

I’ve already been promoted to the level of my incompetence.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #94

When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

I really like this post: http://archive.li/fi5Xn It's been deleted by its author and archive sites are the only places where I can find copies. I've saved a copy for myself just in case. If you use an article like this as a source, it'd be nice if there were a copy somewhere. This is one of my favourite independent movies: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1527628 I bought a DRM-free copy from the writer/director back whe…

Thank you for the article link. If anything, it has only become more relevant by now. Do you know why the original has been deleted?

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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And Ireland?

Ireland's language is actually Gaelic. It's the only country in the EU that does not require it's language in translations because even in Ireland nearly no one speaks it.

Ireland has two official languages defined in the constitution – Irish and English.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #94

When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

Anything you have ever published is no longer entirely yours and the act of doing so is also a relinquishment of control. Only secrets can ever really be regarded as possessions. Archivists should not require permission to store that which has been put out into the world.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #142

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When you published your article though, you wanted people to read it. You can't blame the people around you for changing your mind. And "nothing gets deleted on the internet".

I won't blame people for storing a private copy, but I will blame people for sharing such copy if it is against my will, especially if they're claiming it is their right and thus my integrity has to suffer.

It is the right of all librarians.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #98
post #94

When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

A simple solution: don't publish things you don't want people to read. This is no different to burning books that the authors no longer support the views in.

I both agree and disagree.

Yes, definitely think before publishing, even if it's meant to be "private", say a self-destructing private message, because anything can be saved somehow.

On the other side, we change. Things that were relevant to me, things I genuinely thought to be true 16-18 years ago (I had a blog for a while now), I see a bit differently today, and I might like my current, tuned back views to be read, not the ancient ones from a disappointed teenager.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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The combination of right to be forgotten and GDPR practically mandate that this be the case and, as others have pointed out, in the pre-internet era there would often be no record, unless it had hit the print media. Most criminal offences are expunged (at least in the UK) from your criminal record after a number of years, so why should the internet be allowed to keep a permanent record after your debt to society has…

Aren't we talking about authors here, not criminals? When articles were in print, authors had a "permanent record".

For sure, although we definitely strayed into moral territory. Even limiting ourselves to authors though, that's a concept whose meaning is radically different nowadays (when it means anyone who can type - including on a touchscreen - and knows how to hit the publish button on Medium/Wordpress/Tumblr or wherever) to what it was in the past, when it meant having to go through at least some amount of gatekeeping at the relevant publication.

Would you really want some sort of naively politicised rant that you wrote as a teen and no longer believe to affect your ability to get a job in your mid-thirties? Would that even be fair? Of course not. Yet that's absolutely realistic in a digital world that forgets nothing and where permanent and total erasure isn't an option.

(To be honest, age isn't particularly a factor here: over a period of a couple of decades anyone's beliefs can change quite substantially, and plenty do. Granted, plenty also don't, but entrenchment is a choice, even if one made passively).

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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No, it means they have to apply to people connecting from the EU.

Have you any document from a data protection authority or lawyer that makes this claim? or even close to it?

He's not a lawyer, but as a "GDPR implementation leader" I bet he talked to some:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/gdpr-does-apply-eu-citizens-g...

But really, it's plain from the text.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #45

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I doubt it. GDPR is the obvious next step in the war on GPC (memory specifically). archive.org exists to fix that. If they fall because some other country has no 1st, they fail. Other people have copies. Who exits next?

GPC?

I assume they mean General Purpose Computing.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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post #135

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If no one can read an a book what good is it? You are purposefully muddying the issue of access. If you upload your pictures on a password protected ftp server no one will know or care when you delete them. If you upload them on a publicly accessible website, despite what outdated laws on copyright say, you won't be able to withdraw them and that's a feature. Facebook is a monstrosity that pretends to be a password p…

> If no one can read an a book what good is it? Plenty of good. As a writer myself, sometimes just having these thoughts put out into form is a very gratifying process. When the inspiration hits you, nothing feels worse than not being able to express these thoughts and feelings in a way that feels appropriate. Likewise, sometimes people write dumb things in a fit of passion. They write something that is a blemish on…

I agree with the sentiment, but I'm not sure what can be done about it. Anyone can archive things privately. If you take away public archives, this means that only obsessive lunatics and the wealthy will be able to wield archived material as an instrument of power.

Our culture definitely needs to evolve a little and become more forgiving of youthful ignorance. That's really the only long-term solution.

Perhaps this is also a good use case for services like Hermit[1], which allows limited sharing among friends and other writers. The notion of "trying out" an idea on a platform with enormous public reach seems foolish at best. Comics test their new material in hole-in-the-wall dive bars for a good reason!

[1] https://gethermit.com

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