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Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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I did something similar in college. A company paid cash for installing software that displayed ads on the bottom of your monitor. It qualified your ad viewing activity based on mouse movement. At night I would open the software, wrap my mouse cord around an oscillating desk fan, then go to bed. Earned myself $50/month

Do these companies still exist?

There's no shortage of adwall sites, which is pretty much the evolution. Outsourcing of ad fraud is their bread and butter.

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Lots of runners in my family. They often get injuries (especially knew) from running. Biking is a lot kinder to your joints.

Yes but not good for your testicles.

Modern bike seats pretty much eliminate this issue.

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I rarely bike because I don't trust drivers, and you can't bike on the sidewalk.

People who use bikes don't trust drivers either. In fact I work on the base assumption that bus drivers in particular, are actively trying to kill me.

I am invisible in my mind when I'm riding. In fact, the one thing that catches me off guard is people yielding when they shouldn't be yielding - drives me crazy, and throws off my game.

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Turn it around- perhaps the low risk individuals find subsidizing the high risk individuals equally repellent. Wellness programs allow those individuals to recover some of their premiums.

Low-risk individuals subsidizing high-risk individuals? We just call that "insurance."

That’s not a trait inherent to insurance. Premiums can be adjusted based on risk so that everyone “subsidizes” everyone else by the same amount on average.

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I've seen folks wrap their step tracker in a couple pairs of socks, then either throw it in the dryer, or tie the socks to a ceiling fan on low. Those particular folks called it "going jogging."

I'm so glad these incentives have contributed to expediting the eventual heat death of our universe

Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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I wonder how many people use stuff like this to cheat the system? I remember seeing someone on reddit bragging about attaching their Fitbit to a reciprocating saw to get more steps than his wife. I couldn't figure out why it was that important, but with insurance discounts, I can definitely see the financial incentives.

People are willing to go quite far sometimes: https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/8fu7wi/albertan_cha...

This feels like an abstracted form of arbitrage: the markets have figured out that there's a quantifiable risk difference between men and women, but they have not distinguished cis and trans folks in their model, and not figured out whether this is a hormones-at-birth difference, or a current-hormones difference, or a socialization difference, or what. They have also certainly not figured out how to distinguish actual trans folks from arbitrageurs (this is something that I think the law ought not to try too hard to figure out, on limited-government grounds, but the markets would love to take as much data as they can and feed it into a model). Once they figure it out, they'll price this person as a person, and he won't be able to swing it as dramatically.

Gender is a pretty crude (though effective) axis to make this sort of risk distinction on. An insurance company that can accurately figure out which men are lower-risk to insure than the average man will probably have a pretty good time in the market. (And get a head start on any policy changes about not discriminating on gender.)

Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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People are willing to go quite far sometimes: https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/8fu7wi/albertan_cha...

Gender is a state of mind in Canada and therefore Alberta. If it catches on, it will probably stop working once the statistics reveal gender-changed MtoF's to be just as high in accident rates as regular males.

Assuming that's what they reveal, yes. If accident rates are linked to testosterone levels, trans women taking hormone-replacement therapy should have statistically lower accident rates - and trans men taking hormone-replacement therapy should have statistically higher accident rates.

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They don't even work: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-26/workplace...

You have to wonder if there is some ulterior motive at work or else just some sort of mass psychosis where some eggheads think employees want their bosses to tell them what to eat and how to exercise.

I think more simply ask how many people make a substantial, durable change in health status in the general population. My sense is quite few, it’s really hard to change your lifestyle or get more exercise. I doubt a small workplace incentive is going to tip the balance for all but a few people, and those were likely already close to making a change.

It’s also labor intensive to measure workplace wellness in a verifiable fashion. You basically need to collect vital signs on your employees, otherwise you’re open to being gamed in the way described in the OP.

Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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EconTalk from three weeks ago was The Tyranny of Metrics [1] about how when metrics are tied to compensation, they often have disastrous consequences, even to the point of achieving the opposite of the desired effect. [1] http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2018/04/jerry_muller_on.htm...

Yes, that idea is frequently flogged here.

Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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Between walking, driving, and biking, biking is the _most_ dangerous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort#Travel Given the same commute you can expect riding a bike to be 23 times more dangerous than driving a car. Put another way, it looks like people get into car accidents roughly once every 18 years. If instead of driving your car for your commute you rode your bike, you can expect to get into an accident ever…

And according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microlife , the first 20 minutes of moderate exercise is worth 2 microlifes (or -2 micromorts). At 15 miles/hour, the means the first 5 miles of biking costs you about 0.25-0.5 micromorts of accident risk and gives you +2 microlifes of fitness. Riding in a car, on the other hand, incurs accident risk AND has effects on fitness.

23x sounded pretty high, and indeed the GP's Wikipedia article cites 23x as one option from the original 1979 work, or 11.5x as a more recent one. The latter seems much more reasonable, and a quick look at stats for Australia suggests current stats put it at something like 6-10x.

But the more interesting article to me was [0] which presents a study that says around 30% of "cycling" deaths are due to natural causes such as heart disease.

[0]: https://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2015/09/01/is-it-jus...

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