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Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Yeah -- my actual area of research/work is VR, hopefully for practical use cases, and it's hard to see anything in current VR tech that would help for remote working. For those who do remote teams, having something like Slack helps more, where casual channels for chatting can serve as the virtual water cooler. I wonder if there's any potential in building VR-based telepresence tools specifically for those doing graph…

A personal theory of mine is that one reason telecommuting is hard is that is really screen-real-estate bound. I've been remote for 5 years, full time, and in that time I have come to rely on an iPad Pro, 2 laptops and 2 30 inch 4k monitors, all on all the time. I'm on the phone maybe 4 hours a day, sometimes up to 8. (I don't work in coding, FWIW). I have so many documents, projects, collaboration windows, schedules…

Go whole hog and buy a 43" LG 4K monitor ($700). Not a tv, has no tuner, has native display port inputs. Best thing I did all year for productivity.

I found that at a certain point adding more screens looks cool to view from afar, when not sitting, or to impress non technical guests. But in practical reality, the wider you spread things out, the amount of body and neck swiveling (like watching a tennis match) becomes highly frustrating.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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The failed promise of telecommuting is a tragedy of the tech world. I'm a Kansan born and raised in the KC area (suburban rather than rural), and I wish a work-from-home career was more feasible in my line of work. I'd like nothing more than to live in a small Midwestern town; the city-hives hold no real attraction to me. The Internet should have freed more of us to live where we want, but in the most connected point…

As a counterpoint, the D programming community could not exist without the internet and telecommuting. It's spread out all over the world, and we only meet once a year at Dconf.

I remember "telecommuting" in the 1980s with a fax machine (international phone at a buck a minute was impractical) and mailing floppy disks (weeks of delays for international).

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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The Ogallala aquifer is only mentioned once in passing, but that's the real reason rural Kansas is dying. With the aquifer being completely depleted in some areas, conventional farming of the usual cash crops won't be an option for much longer. See http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article28640722....

“It comes down to the luck of where your ancestors settled,” Wilson says. “Or where you bought ground.”

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/08/vanishin...

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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post #56

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A personal theory of mine is that one reason telecommuting is hard is that is really screen-real-estate bound. I've been remote for 5 years, full time, and in that time I have come to rely on an iPad Pro, 2 laptops and 2 30 inch 4k monitors, all on all the time. I'm on the phone maybe 4 hours a day, sometimes up to 8. (I don't work in coding, FWIW). I have so many documents, projects, collaboration windows, schedules…

Go whole hog and buy a 43" LG 4K monitor ($700). Not a tv, has no tuner, has native display port inputs. Best thing I did all year for productivity. I found that at a certain point adding more screens looks cool to view from afar, when not sitting, or to impress non technical guests. But in practical reality, the wider you spread things out, the amount of body and neck swiveling (like watching a tennis match) becomes…

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Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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It is cruel, but as long as they continue to vote Republican, they'll see themselves stomped to bits. The reason Donn Teske can't get much out of the Republicans in the legislature is that he's no money to offer them. There's little left for the large businesses to steal from except their land and they'll get that through automation and debt. There's few public services to privatize into the hands of Republicans' spo…

I think you have drunk too much of the anti-republican and anti corporate koolaide. They are not the entirety of the problem and it's weird that you think they are. A counter example is Texas: majority Republican and a very strong and growing economy.

Texas is more diversified from Kansas' farm economy, in addition to having a huge agriculture base, Texas is probably #1 or #2 in energy production/consumption in the USA. As long as oil is not in a slump, Texas can coast while other places without the natural energy resources would suffer. A large number of decent middle class lifestyles can be supported with or without a college degree with work around the oil fields. Even with this natural advantage, there was a staggering amount of underfunding for public schools statewide in Texas over the decade that the GOP has been in power in Texas that will mimic what happened in Kansas. The legislature continuously moves more and more of the onus of public funding to local property taxes and decrease the amount of funding from the state. https://www.texastribune.org/2018/03/28/texas-am-lori-taylor...

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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The failed promise of telecommuting is a tragedy of the tech world. I'm a Kansan born and raised in the KC area (suburban rather than rural), and I wish a work-from-home career was more feasible in my line of work. I'd like nothing more than to live in a small Midwestern town; the city-hives hold no real attraction to me. The Internet should have freed more of us to live where we want, but in the most connected point…

As a counterpoint, the D programming community could not exist without the internet and telecommuting. It's spread out all over the world, and we only meet once a year at Dconf. I remember "telecommuting" in the 1980s with a fax machine (international phone at a buck a minute was impractical) and mailing floppy disks (weeks of delays for international).

That's not really a specific counter point is it? The backing foundation is a non-profit that is backed by individuals, presumably they need a day job (not remote?) in order to be able to keep the organization running.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counterpoint, the D programming community could not exist without the internet and telecommuting. It's spread out all over the world, and we only meet once a year at Dconf. I remember "telecommuting" in the 1980s with a fax machine (international phone at a buck a minute was impractical) and mailing floppy disks (weeks of delays for international).

That's not really a specific counter point is it? The backing foundation is a non-profit that is backed by individuals, presumably they need a day job (not remote?) in order to be able to keep the organization running.

It is on point, as people are able to telecommute to cooperate and produce a large, complex product.

The fact that it is organized differently than a traditional manager/worker org chart may be an interesting factor in its ability to successfully operate in a decentralized manner.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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post #43

The failed promise of telecommuting is a tragedy of the tech world. I'm a Kansan born and raised in the KC area (suburban rather than rural), and I wish a work-from-home career was more feasible in my line of work. I'd like nothing more than to live in a small Midwestern town; the city-hives hold no real attraction to me. The Internet should have freed more of us to live where we want, but in the most connected point…

It is interesting to consider why there is a preference to work physically together. The hive metaphor could shine some light here. Is telework effective/possible when there are workers and managers? In my experience managers resist telework. What if we had a pervasive culture of self organization and direction?

I realize it's kind of a popular opinion on HN to shit on managers as only valuing "face time" and poo-pooing telework, but as an individual programmer, I find working at home without face-to-face interaction with product managers and designers a major pain in the ass. I can have a design discussion much more effectively with an in-person session than remotely. Of course, when I just want "get shit done" time I love working at home, but if I actually need to have a lot of interaction with other people I find it much more efficient to do it in person.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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The alternative to virtual density is real density (à la big cities like Tokyo, New York). In my opinion remote technology has not been able to come close with the bandwidth increases of real proximity yet. The promise of VR, telepresence, is still unable to match the benefits of real presence.

I suppose the benefits depends on the knowledge work. A mathematician might benefit from the quiet solace of the country side, the human bandwidth being of marginal benefit, and instead focus on the problem. When they're ready, they transmit the proof, where it will be studied, reviewed and disseminated (if correct). If you're not considering the information you receive too heavily, then you'd probably want more sync…

> A mathematician might benefit from the quiet solace of the country side, the human bandwidth being of marginal benefit,

But most of the working (academic) mathematicians I know, while they need some time in "quiet solace" or whatever, absolutely need to spend some time bouncing ideas off other mathematicians. Not unlike computer scientists, actually. And that's easier when the other mathematicians are local-ish.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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I'm writing this post from my home in Manhattan, Kansas, a mid-sized town in the Flint Hills. We had a gorgeous sunset tonight and I watched it from my back porch, staring across my lawn in the rolling ranch land behind me. I'm working for a San Francisco YC alum tech company but living in one of the most affordable places in the US. Life is amazing out here. I have gigabit fiber internet, great third-wave coffee shops, a great local library, decent restaurants, and a couple of solid cocktail bars. Kansas State University is here, so that brings us a nice performing arts center that gets nationally touring acts and Big 12 football and basketball teams that you can't help but love. My only "commute" is driving my kids to school and driving myself to the coffee shop. We have a great little airport with free parking and I can leave my home and be stepping onto the jet bridge in twenty minutes and SFO is an easy hop through DFW.

It's beautiful out here and I wish more tech workers would consider the Midwest when they decide to leave the Bay Area.

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