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Put a Fork in Caddy; It's Done
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Re: Put a Fork in Caddy; It's Done
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
We think his public statement, "Earning your trust is my most important interpersonal goal" is both relevant and good. We're not attacking his religion - we want Matt to stick to his publicly stated principles.
Then I would suggest changing the wording to just "profile". Whether you realize it or not, the Mormons are a less-than-revered religious minority in many parts of the US, and dropping that fact so early in the article comes across as poisoning the well against him. There's plenty of reason to be upset with Mr. Holt. His own reply elsewhere in this thread reads more like a PR response than a real reply. But keep the…
> His own reply elsewhere in this thread reads more like a PR response than a real reply.
What would you like me to say?
Re: Put a Fork in Caddy; It's Done
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Re: Put a Fork in Caddy; It's Done
#64I can't reach the site to read the post, but it seems that Caddy has been plagued with controvosy/drama as they tried to monetise their project - as past discussion here shows: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15237923 It's a nice-looking project, and the integrated Let's Encrypt is great for non-sophisticated users, but the user-base must be suffering.
I’m surprised it survived the commercial rollout. AFAICT, the commercial rollout required $300/year per instance for any and all commercial usage. It made it sound like you weren’t even allowed to use the open source version for commercial use (is that even possible?).
The commercial licence for the prebuilt binaries is $50 pm for 2 instances. You can build yourself from source with no restrictions.
Re: Put a Fork in Caddy; It's Done
#65I can't reach the site to read the post, but it seems that Caddy has been plagued with controvosy/drama as they tried to monetise their project - as past discussion here shows: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15237923 It's a nice-looking project, and the integrated Let's Encrypt is great for non-sophisticated users, but the user-base must be suffering.
I’m surprised it survived the commercial rollout. AFAICT, the commercial rollout required $300/year per instance for any and all commercial usage. It made it sound like you weren’t even allowed to use the open source version for commercial use (is that even possible?).
You're free to do anything with the source code that's permitted by the Apache license, including commercial usage. The commercial licensing only affects the binaries offered on the site.
Re: Put a Fork in Caddy; It's Done
#66> This is no longer just a conversation on privacy; this is a hostage situation. Give me a break. I'm tired of this type of drama and FUD coming up through sensationalized posts like this. It's open source -- there's no hostage situation. I stopped reading at that whiney BS. Matt is looking to collect anonymized data so that he knows how his product is being used and how it can be improved -- which must be a tough si…
The only issue I have is that I don't see any mention about the telemtry collection or how to opt out on their homepage or github readme...unless these features aren't actually out yet and I misunderstood everything
It isn't out yet, mholt announced the plans for the next version and asked for feedback about it.
Re: Put a Fork in Caddy; It's Done
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm confused. If telemetry is an option and you can opt out, why not just do that? Also, because everything is open source, you're welcome to inspect the source to verify that it's behaving as expected and not reporting telemetry. You mentioned that you're not a Go programmer and/or you don't have time to do this...okay, so pay someone else who is a Go programmer to do this for you. Or is any software that costs mone…
You're conflating two issues. If Matt wants money, we're happy to pay. That's a separate issue from telemetry. We don't want a) a sole developer making decisions which the community has rejected, and b) software which sends telemetry by default.
> a) a sole developer making decisions which the community has rejected
Have you run a poll to be sure that >50% of the community rejects the change? Anyway, online polls are not reliable, it's difficult to be avoid sock puppets, people that don't use the software, ensure that people that disagree with your proposal care to vote, ...
Just make a fork and if most of the community agree with you, your fork will be most popular and shadow the original.
Re: Put a Fork in Caddy; It's Done
#68I can't reach the site to read the post, but it seems that Caddy has been plagued with controvosy/drama as they tried to monetise their project - as past discussion here shows: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15237923 It's a nice-looking project, and the integrated Let's Encrypt is great for non-sophisticated users, but the user-base must be suffering.
I’m surprised it survived the commercial rollout. AFAICT, the commercial rollout required $300/year per instance for any and all commercial usage. It made it sound like you weren’t even allowed to use the open source version for commercial use (is that even possible?).
I'd agree that it wasn't very well-handled and being the biggest hassle for the wrong kind of people, but I believe it always clearly talked about their binaries only.
Re: Put a Fork in Caddy; It's Done
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then I would suggest changing the wording to just "profile". Whether you realize it or not, the Mormons are a less-than-revered religious minority in many parts of the US, and dropping that fact so early in the article comes across as poisoning the well against him. There's plenty of reason to be upset with Mr. Holt. His own reply elsewhere in this thread reads more like a PR response than a real reply. But keep the…
> His own reply elsewhere in this thread reads more like a PR response than a real reply. What would you like me to say?
For example, you could say, "Clearly the community feels strongly about this issue, and while I still believe Caddy should include telemetry, it will be opt-in, not the default. Sorry for censoring posts on the Caddy forum, it won't happen again."
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#70Article timed out for me, seems neflabs needs new webserver software.
Agreed, we're using Caddy right now. Time to switch!