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Re: What happened, Gmail?

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Post by jiveturkey »

pmlnr wrote: post #189
jadeklerk wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 to this. You have to realize that over a billion users use gmail. You can't possibly imagine that prioritizing .0000000001% of users that know about something like filtering on custom headers is remotely good decision-making against all the other work being done that helps the majority of users.

I have Gmail at work, and I can't filter on list ID in the header. Gmail is not just simple users, it's also corporate who's paying for it.

but you can. isn’t list name filter the list id? works for me.

Re: What happened, Gmail?

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Post by lists »

primitur wrote: post #66
pferde wrote: post #3

Among "needed innovations", the post lists: "A good method for telling users what’s important to read and what can wait for later." To me, it's downright scary that someone would want Google telling them what is important in their own mailbox. Personal responsibility bad, Hand-holding good, apparently.

This erosion of responsibility over time is some sort of back force from a wave of generational disillusionment. We don't want to go back to doing email like our parents did (except we do) so its time to use the cool new shit. Ah, Big Vendor with cool new shit, is cool with the kids. In slips the mickey, and the rest is devolutionary disco. We really do need to return to using email properly. All these social network…

I like this because most social media functionality save for some exceptions (Snapchat, Telegram, etc) can be implemented over email

Re: What happened, Gmail?

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

potatoyogurt wrote: post #104
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #49

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> Things like unprintable email is a bad joke. Unprintable? What if I connect to Gmail with mutt? It gives the sense of a false security. It also fundamentally breaks with what the user expects. The user expects their email to be theirs, to do with what they will. I know of no situation in which I would like an email which I specifically cannot print; I have no idea how I would explain it to my Grandfather.

It's not really about ordinary users like you. Google is shifting their strategy for Google Drive more towards enterprise, and this is a useful feature for enterprise users. Have you ever seen one of those email signatures stating "this email is property of XXX corporation, etc. etc." or seen an email sent to a large group of people in a company with strong exhortations not to send it anywhere else? This is a strict…

And by doing so, it is still violating what the user expects.

Re: What happened, Gmail?

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Post by distances »

peatmoss wrote: post #114
Waterluvian wrote: post #103

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Good advice. I assume I can forward my Gmail because that address has been my address for as long as gmail has existed. This is just like cell numbers. You attach one to everything in your life and transitioning is near impossible. Glad the government forced free number transfer. If only emails worked the same way.

Yes, I’d forward emails until you can get everyone trained over to using your new email address. I’ve done that in the past with mostly inactive emails that I got through professional or academic associations. Presumably Gmail still makes auto-forwarding reasonably easy.

Why not just leave the forwarding on? I still have my first e-mail address from the 90s forwarding all incoming mail to my current one, though it's very rare by now that anything comes.

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Post by zamber »

freehunter wrote: post #201
zamber wrote: post #180

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The idea with whitelisting is viable. Use a freehunter+superimportant@gmail.com email for these and then in the classic interface set a filter that will land these mails always in your inbox with an additional label. Been doing this kind of categorizing with filters since I discovered the feature and never looked back.

But then that's no better than just managing my email by hand. The whole point of these smart inboxes is to not have to do that.

In my setup there are no blanket rules. Only super important and especially annoying stuff gets the filter treatment. All the rest is autosorted.

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Post by sssparkkk »

hokoto wrote: post #202
sssparkkk wrote: post #197

Been thinking of switching back from Inbox to Gmail for one single annoying and IMO stupid design decision: if there are multiple recepients for the email the main reply button will by default perform a reply all. Had me look like a dork a few times, replying to everyone that I can't make it to a party or something. Anyone else been bitten by this?

I think the party host who is sending his invitations without using bcc is to blame here. I use gmail mainly for business related mails and the default reply-all makes a lot sense - almost all the time other recipients ( managers, clients etc) are there to be kept in loop. If you forgot and just reply to it, then you have send the same mail again - or worse you never notice it.

The party host is not using bcc because he/she wants everyone to be aware of who has been invited to the party.

I guess it boils down to your default usage of email; I've never had an email client before Inbox that does 'reply all' by default.

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Post by chenster »

Jyaif wrote: post #34
chenster wrote: post #12

@google, check this: https://dribbble.com/shots/4020485-Inbox-Client/attachments/... . It's better than yours. Never a fan of material design.. seriously, Google is NOT good at design. Period. I hoped, in this Gmail iteration, Google would finally take the plunge and kill the flat icons and minimalist design and once for all. It's quite the opposite unfortunately. It got flatter and uglier. All so plain and washed ou…

> https://dribbble.com/shots/4020485-Inbox-Client/attachments/... Font and icon color is too dark. Needs more whitespace too.

YOU SERIOUS? How about more cowbell?

Re: What happened, Gmail?

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Post by chenster »

andrewguenther wrote: post #43
chenster wrote: post #12

@google, check this: https://dribbble.com/shots/4020485-Inbox-Client/attachments/... . It's better than yours. Never a fan of material design.. seriously, Google is NOT good at design. Period. I hoped, in this Gmail iteration, Google would finally take the plunge and kill the flat icons and minimalist design and once for all. It's quite the opposite unfortunately. It got flatter and uglier. All so plain and washed ou…

That design is...awful. Tons of wasted space, prominent screen real estate given to interactions the user will never engage and less than 50% of the screen is given to the content I am there to see? > one doesn't know what he should look at first. Pot, meet kettle.

So what I heard is that people would just prefer something like the Thunderbird, basic but functional - https://addons.cdn.mozilla.net/user-media/previews/full/152/... and you don't care if it's ugly. However, You can't just think like gmail are only used by engineers who designed it. Most of the users are not.

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Post by aembleton »

sssparkkk wrote: post #197

Been thinking of switching back from Inbox to Gmail for one single annoying and IMO stupid design decision: if there are multiple recepients for the email the main reply button will by default perform a reply all. Had me look like a dork a few times, replying to everyone that I can't make it to a party or something. Anyone else been bitten by this?

Yes, I've been bitten by this and there is no way to switch it off in settings.

Re: What happened, Gmail?

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Post by peatmoss »

distances wrote: post #214
peatmoss wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I’d forward emails until you can get everyone trained over to using your new email address. I’ve done that in the past with mostly inactive emails that I got through professional or academic associations. Presumably Gmail still makes auto-forwarding reasonably easy.

Why not just leave the forwarding on? I still have my first e-mail address from the 90s forwarding all incoming mail to my current one, though it's very rare by now that anything comes.

You could! The only reason not to is if you wanted to close the account for some reason.
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