Between the Gmail and Reddit redesigns Reddit's redesign was so much worse.
What happened, Gmail?
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#182Better than Inbox, anyway.
Better than Reddit's redesign
Re: What happened, Gmail?
#183What about sorting e-mails? By size, for example?
I think that's a very uncommon use case and I can't think of a time I've ever wanted to do that. I've sorted by "has-attachment" but why would you need to sort by size?
When Gmail first rolled out, this was one of the most often asked questions. The usual answer was that the question is wrong, because Gmail is different and one doesn't need sorting. Fast forward 14 years and users still have to use workarounds like size:20m (that appeared in 2012 IIRC). It doesn't show message size either as if it didn't matter at all.
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What new giant personal information are you giving, really? If you use Gmail, you already trust them with your emails and the interactions you have with these mails. This features makes the experience better for users without having to give any additional information.
Yes, if you're using Gmail, you've already lost, but this IMHO inappropriately affects your workflow by steering your attention to, or away from, certain e-mails. To me, it's potentially no different from what Facebook was caught doing, and in fact, if done carefully, it is an authoritarian's wet dream. Yes, you can (supposedly) train the "importance" filter, but how many people will do that?
Literally everyone? It's trained based on the emails you respond to.
Re: What happened, Gmail?
#186Email was meant to be kept simple, and Google is making this exponentially hard with every single "design" iteration. Get off Gmail - it'll break your email. The article has very good points, especially when it touches the issue of "hidden" mail, like the promotions tab: there are labels and tabs. There should be only one system, and no, don't hide things from the user at this level. When there's 17k mails in promoti…
If I want to take my 20GB of email out of Gmail and put it elsewhere for the next 15 years without having to think about it, where do I go?
Lots of recommendations for Fastmail and while there is nothing wrong with them, here are some alternatives in case you want to shop around.
runbox.com (cheapest for >1 user)
rackspace.com/email-hosting
zoho.com/mail
www.gandi.net (free w/ domain registration)
Re: What happened, Gmail?
#187The author's experience with GMail seems to be the opposite of mine. The new features for disappearing/unprintable/etc. emails sound like they're just going to cause annoyances while Gmail sorting things into promotions and updates is absolutely fantastic . And I use the "forums" tab too. This is the "good method for telling users what they need to read" that the author wants - that's what Primary is. This is the way…
I have been using Google Inbox since the launch and I absolutely LOVE it. It finally solved my email problems. - I have notifications disabled for all but the important emails. So I respond to emails in time and I don't keep checking my phone anymore. - Easy to read and discard emails. Especially promotions. I actually do check them - once a day and once a day only and then delete them all. - Social/Updates ...etc ar…
Inbox is great, no doubt. The recent update to the iOS app is super terrible though. It does away with navigation gestures (swiping up/down) and many animations. It also no longer has an iPad layout.
Re: What happened, Gmail?
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many things are we supposed to do as people? Everybody touts options spanning every domain going from email to mobile devices and it's like, oh it's just a bit of configuration/tweaking for a few hours and then you're good to go. So yeah, hand holding is good, because to be honest, I don't get up on a Saturday morning and say "oh boy I can't wait to setup my email filters, right after I tweak my Arch Linux instal…
I kind of get what you are saying - there are lot of things we should not be caring about and let automation take care of. But in my opinion, what is and is not important to someone is something deeply personal, and I find it scary that someone would want to relinquish control particularly over that. I see it as "can someone tie my shoelaces for me please?" level of non-responsibility. And it scares me.
To provide another perspective: I don't think I've ever received an email where an incorrect categorization is more than a mild inconvenience. From my perspective, it's relinquishing control over a triviality. Categorizing things that in the grand scheme are all unimportant anyway.
Re: What happened, Gmail?
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> Filtering on Gmail is outrageous, especially when you compare it to Sieve. No option to match on custom header, seriously? What percentage of users would even know what a custom header is, much less ever attempt to match one? Is that what one would call a basic feature lacking from Gmail, for its lack to guarantee a "seriously?"?
+1 to this. You have to realize that over a billion users use gmail. You can't possibly imagine that prioritizing .0000000001% of users that know about something like filtering on custom headers is remotely good decision-making against all the other work being done that helps the majority of users.
I have Gmail at work, and I can't filter on list ID in the header.
Gmail is not just simple users, it's also corporate who's paying for it.
Re: What happened, Gmail?
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's really not, nor the web client, nor the provider, and the options are plenty, mentioned even in this very thread. Fastmail, self hosted iredmail, protonmail, etc., are fine providers. Geary, rainloop, macos mail, k9, are very nice clients. Have you actually tried any alternative clients, before you made this comment?
Protonmail doesn't even have fulltext search (truly a joke). Fastmail just feels like a worse Gmail client, only redeeming if you particularly care about paying for a service. I have to agree with them. Also, pretty weak rhetoric to suggest someone hasn't tried the alternatives. Can I assume you haven't tried Protonmail because I can't understand how someone can say email without search is better than Gmail.
I run my mail server, I tried out rainloop, roundcube, pine, mutt, evolution, geary, thunderbird, claws recently, used to do outlook, outlook express, horde, even squirelmail. By comparison, gmail is not superior, and isn't, by far, capable of everything thunderbird can be with a few addons.