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Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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My main takeaway from this is that #deleteFacebook has been a flash in the pan-- their active user count is still increasing across all regions. Also to note, FB only pay effectively 11% tax on some 12 billion dollars worth of revenue.

> FB only pay effectively 11% tax

It's the same for Google. Might be a weird one-off due to the new tax law.

https://abc.xyz/investor/pdf/2018Q1_alphabet_earnings_releas...

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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My main takeaway from this is that #deleteFacebook has been a flash in the pan-- their active user count is still increasing across all regions. Also to note, FB only pay effectively 11% tax on some 12 billion dollars worth of revenue.

Yeah, I may have to eat some crow from an argument the other day with another HN user. Surveys and #deleteFacebook and protests and so forth seemed to indicate that people did finally start getting interested in their own privacy. But no. Somehow, even with a declining youth demographic and widespread reports of less time spent on site and the CA fiasco, they still ended up with a growth of users in all markets. I've…

> I've wondered sometimes whether we're headed towards a post-privacy world

If post-privacy worked both ways, I'm all for a future like that, it would be a transparency utopia.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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My main takeaway from this is that #deleteFacebook has been a flash in the pan-- their active user count is still increasing across all regions. Also to note, FB only pay effectively 11% tax on some 12 billion dollars worth of revenue.

Yeah, I may have to eat some crow from an argument the other day with another HN user. Surveys and #deleteFacebook and protests and so forth seemed to indicate that people did finally start getting interested in their own privacy. But no. Somehow, even with a declining youth demographic and widespread reports of less time spent on site and the CA fiasco, they still ended up with a growth of users in all markets. I've…

We are not heading to a post-privacy world.

Post-Privacy means no one can get privacy even if they want it. That has never been the case.

What you are merely seeing is people are ok with the amount of data that has been collected on them. The lack of true widespread outrage means we are either at the limit or we can still collect a bit more before users get really pissed.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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The median salary package at FB is $240,430[1]. Now I understand how that is possible. 1. http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-median-pay-240000-20... edit: salary package (salary, bonuses, and stock grants), not salary alone

It's a slightly misleading figure because it includes all the stock grants given in 2017. From the proxy statement: > we calculated as actual salary paid to our employees for 2017 [...], actual bonus or sales commission earned by our employees in 2017, and the value of equity awards granted to our employees in 2017 Specifically, if you joined in 2017 the value of your entire initial stock grant was used. This skews t…

Not to mention the UK tax on it

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I may have to eat some crow from an argument the other day with another HN user. Surveys and #deleteFacebook and protests and so forth seemed to indicate that people did finally start getting interested in their own privacy. But no. Somehow, even with a declining youth demographic and widespread reports of less time spent on site and the CA fiasco, they still ended up with a growth of users in all markets. I've…

> I've wondered sometimes whether we're headed towards a post-privacy world If post-privacy worked both ways, I'm all for a future like that, it would be a transparency utopia.

But it will never truly be post-privacy. As always, the rich and powerful will carefully guard their privacy all while saying to the rest of the world that you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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My main takeaway from this is that #deleteFacebook has been a flash in the pan-- their active user count is still increasing across all regions. Also to note, FB only pay effectively 11% tax on some 12 billion dollars worth of revenue.

Maybe most people just don't care all that much about privacy. They just want to share their picture with friends.

I think most people do care about privacy, but they're not being given much of a choice here. Their friends are on Facebook, so the only way to share pictures with all of them is through Facebook.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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My main takeaway from this is that #deleteFacebook has been a flash in the pan-- their active user count is still increasing across all regions. Also to note, FB only pay effectively 11% tax on some 12 billion dollars worth of revenue.

Meanwhile the worker bees pay 35-50% in income tax and other withholdings between state and federal. That pisses me off so much

Comparing personal income tax rates to corporate tax rates doesn't really make sense. At the end of the chain, corporations are always owned by human beings, who must pay tax as well (albeit possibly in the form of capital gains or taxes on dividends).

Point is, if you are upset, and I'm not trying to say that you shouldn't be, then the focus should be on the difference between tax on income vs capital gains / dividend income.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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> I am sick of being the product and I'd love to opt out of that process You can opt out. Don't use Facebook.

That's only possible once shadow profiles no longer exist.

Don’t worry about shadow profiles. CCTV cameras already document you just fine.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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> That's a bargain in this market. When this market changes, some of these companies might suffer more than the others. What is going to happen to advertising budgets (practically their only source of revenue) in the next recession? Facebook also faces higher regulatory and reputational risk (in the US and elsewhere) that most of those companies. But of course compared to Netflix it looks incredibly undervalued! Edit…

> What is going to happen to advertising budgets (practically their only source of revenue) in the next recession There's a general theory that advertising is a zero-sum game. In other words, as a percent of GDP it has neither grown or subtracted significantly since it's wide spread use. This effectively means that new media (FB/Google/etc) is simply taking market share away from other disparate providers. If anythin…

Advertising spending went down over 10% in 2009 compared to 2008 (I thought it was more than that). In that kind of environment Facebook might still gain share but growth and margins are likely to suffer. And Facebook/Google represent already one third of the advertising business in the US, they can only increase market share up to a point.
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