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Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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Doesn't Apple have a ton of in-house engineers that use their hardware every day and therefore must have these problems as well? Shouldn't they fix them if only to keep their engineers from the pain?

Presumably they attribute any failures in typing to the chronic headaches they have from walking into Apple's invisible walls too often.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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I'm honestly thinking of switching to Thinkpad X1 Carbon now, but I HATE windows. And from what I've heard, Linux doesn't bode well with it. Anybody here Linux running on X1 Carbon?

Yup I have the X1 Carbon 5th gen (2017) with 1080p screen. If you have a recent enough kernel everything is supported out of the box (except thumbprint reader). It's probably my favorite Thinkpad since the IBM era. Perfect weight, dual USB-C ports, excellent battery life, great display, great touchpad and amazing keyboard (I prefer it to even the IBM era ones). I feel like Lenovo finally got it right.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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Posting this from my six month old Macbook Pro 15" on which the spacebar has just started doing double spaces. Going to try and clean it with compressed air, but even if that works, it's unacceptable in my opinion that such a key piece of hardware on such an expensive machine should be so fragile. The fact that at some point I'll have to take it back to Apple and probably be without it for several days due to the com…

I’m experiencing this issue with my B key and it’s annoying af. I use my MBP in clamshell mode with an external keyboard and I dread going mobile.

Any ideas on how to get Apple’s attention on this issue welcome! Was wondering if there is any value on setting up a simple site where people can comment if they’ve had issues, just to help illustrate the scale of the problem...

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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I'm honestly thinking of switching to Thinkpad X1 Carbon now, but I HATE windows. And from what I've heard, Linux doesn't bode well with it. Anybody here Linux running on X1 Carbon?

It doesn’t work on the 2018 model. No reliable deep sleep state, no trackpad or track point on the model with NFC. Lenovo refuses to acknowledge both, so it will probably not get fixed. Also, the sound and webcam are aweful (think tin can and potato) … not something I expected from a 2750$ machine; but Netflix and conference calls will be painful at best. I also tried the Carbon X1 in 2015 I think (the one with the touch bar) but back then it only got 1,5 hours of battery, and I ended up returning it. This time it’s collecting dust in a drawer, probably indefinitely.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterargument: for a long time Ive had Jobs to push back on Design excesses. Now there's nobody that has the same kind of design sense at the top to push the product in practical directions. It's like Lennon and McCartney, they wrote better songs when they were together than apart (I'd argue).

I actually don't think that's a counterargument at all. If someone like Ive is able to run unchecked and produce the failure that is the MBP keyboard, then that's a problem outside of Ive.

Based on the folklore, I don't think it's a stretch to imagine Jobs holding up an iPhone USB cable at a meeting and yelling "why the hell can't I plug this into my MacBook Pro?" I can't imagine Cook doing the same.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m experiencing this issue with my B key and it’s annoying af. I use my MBP in clamshell mode with an external keyboard and I dread going mobile.

Any ideas on how to get Apple’s attention on this issue welcome! Was wondering if there is any value on setting up a simple site where people can comment if they’ve had issues, just to help illustrate the scale of the problem...

I'm sure if one of us creates a site and shares it here it'll gain traction. I like clever domain names, so I just registered mbp.wtf from Gandi. If you have recommendations on a lightweight commenting system, I'd love to hear it!

I can crank out a site fairly quickly but I also want it to be as low-maintenance as possible.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any ideas on how to get Apple’s attention on this issue welcome! Was wondering if there is any value on setting up a simple site where people can comment if they’ve had issues, just to help illustrate the scale of the problem...

I'm sure if one of us creates a site and shares it here it'll gain traction. I like clever domain names, so I just registered mbp.wtf from Gandi. If you have recommendations on a lightweight commenting system, I'd love to hear it! I can crank out a site fairly quickly but I also want it to be as low-maintenance as possible.

Ha I like the domain! Will have a little think and get back to you :)

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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post #9

Concur. I liked the new keyboard when it worked. But after two week-long service appointments to deal with dead keys, I've given up on it. Those laptops are defective. I'm using a 2015 15" for now.

This is the hard part - it’s supposedly a pro machine, yet they expect you to not work for a week while they repair the keyboard that fails by a single speck of dust.

Exactly this

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterargument: for a long time Ive had Jobs to push back on Design excesses. Now there's nobody that has the same kind of design sense at the top to push the product in practical directions. It's like Lennon and McCartney, they wrote better songs when they were together than apart (I'd argue).

I actually don't think that's a counterargument at all. If someone like Ive is able to run unchecked and produce the failure that is the MBP keyboard, then that's a problem outside of Ive.

Sure, in a limited sense yeah. I think the Parent's view is that younger designers may be a little more grounded due to not having been worshiped as a god for years. Or just may have different/fresh ideas that are more responsive to current users. In other words if Ive is running amok, yeah maybe he should be replaced/challenged, and that's a failure of leadership, but it's still Ive who's doing the damage.

In my view every Apple product launch/update since Job's death has increasingly tended to make more choices that are pretty from a design perspective but clueless from a utility perspective. Eventually we'll just have some sort of glass slab that soothingly glows but doesn't actually do anything, oh wait... touchbar.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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post #88

This appears to have been aggressively flagged since it's suddenly dropped from the front page to the 6th page in a matter of minutes and has a better point to age ratio than most all above it... Could anyone explain why? it looks highly suspicious to me. I understand that many are protective over Apple products but putting that asside, this an objective and valid warning to people looking to buy this otherwise popul…

Yeah I wondered this myself, the same happened to a repost of it! Hopefully we can get it back on the front page, I really want to draw attention to this issue for all of us owners
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