Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

Post by entee » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 9:02 PM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #91

mortenjorck wrote: post #55

It's just incomprehensible (and an unfortunate indictment of Jony Ive's design leadership) that the 2016 MacBook Pro has continued to prove such a regression from the 2012 design. Professionals demand good design: tools that meet our needs in efficient, reliable, and even elegant ways. Apple's line of professional laptops has traditionally delivered this by and large, but the problem with the 2016 platform is that va…

> (and an unfortunate indictment of Jony Ive's design leadership) Ive has been leading design at Apple for 26 years. I think the failure lies elsewhere.

Post by dman » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 9:07 PM UTC

tlrobinson wrote: post #80

Tangential rant ahead: I've been pretty disappointed in the latest MacBooks as well (mostly just the keyboard and mediocre performance improvements over previous generations), so as a hedge I thought I should give Linux another try, hoping in the ~5 years since I last attempted it one of the more user-friendly distributions would have figured out how to make installation painless. Nope. It's easy enough to get a basi…

Post by madeofpalk » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 9:35 PM UTC

entee wrote: post #101

madeofpalk wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (and an unfortunate indictment of Jony Ive's design leadership) Ive has been leading design at Apple for 26 years. I think the failure lies elsewhere.

Counterargument: for a long time Ive had Jobs to push back on Design excesses. Now there's nobody that has the same kind of design sense at the top to push the product in practical directions. It's like Lennon and McCartney, they wrote better songs when they were together than apart (I'd argue).

Post by nvarsj » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 9:59 PM UTC

tlrobinson wrote: post #80

Tangential rant ahead: I've been pretty disappointed in the latest MacBooks as well (mostly just the keyboard and mediocre performance improvements over previous generations), so as a hedge I thought I should give Linux another try, hoping in the ~5 years since I last attempted it one of the more user-friendly distributions would have figured out how to make installation painless. Nope. It's easy enough to get a basi…

Post by nvarsj » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 10:00 PM UTC

kakwa_ wrote: post #85

marcus_holmes wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not Apple's great software. Most of Apple's software is shit (as opposed to 3rd parties who write OSX apps). It's the fact that it's mostly-decent hardware running a mostly-compliant POSIX OS that looks enough like GNU to make it usable (and compatible with web servers). If someone, ffs anyone, made a decent, reliable Linux laptop, Apple would lose the dev market in a month.

This is called a Thinkpad. I'm running Debian on a Thinkpad at work, this work great... except for a few points. It's always a bit harder to integrate with the rest of the internal infrastructure: * AD integration in your favorite email client to have auto-completion on emails is a bit tedious * Exchange calendars are also annoying * Mounting (and, first, finding) the windows shares can a bit tedious * Password renew…