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90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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It's time to start acknowledging that this is never going to be fixed. SB 827 died when homeowners protested fiercely, and it doesn't look like any proposed replacements are going to get traction either. People just have too much of their equity tied up in their homes. I hate it, but I can also see where they're coming from: if you had a savings account that accounted for most of your net wealth and was appreciating…

When did it die? I thoughti t is being brought to vote later this year.

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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The sad fact is that long as people are willing to put up with this nothing is going to change. The crazy rents and terrible commutes sound insane to anyone living elsewhere but people are continuously more than happy to continue doing them to work at companies that haven't been priced out yet either. It's not an issue of social mobility either, since people living in the bay area are some of the most socially mobile…

I know I chose to move out here because it was the best career move I could make. Having a FANG company on my resume plus the ridiculous salary and equity while I'm here would be foolish to pass up.

the ridiculous salary and equity while I'm here would be foolish to pass up

So - how much of the "ridiculous" salary is left after subtracting living costs and taxes, actually?

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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Oh, tech companies. If only there were a way to have conversations about, create, and transmit computer programs using some kind of long-distance network. Maybe we could break the data up into "packets". Just thinking out loud here. Then maybe everyone creating textual output for a living wouldn't have to transport their physical body to an office. We can dream.

What's interesting is that I routinely see comments little different from this one. Just as routinely, companies choose to pay whole multiles times as much for engineers in-person instead of remote.

Is it possible that we're missing something in this? And that there might be more to this than companies being unwilling to try remote workers?

I know my own experiences with working remotely and having remote colleagues have upon occasion been other than an unalloyed positive.

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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This is increasingly common in the Boston area as well. Cambridge/MIT is a massive biotech hub, meanwhile we have huge companies with many large offices in the downtown or in surrounding suburbs. Many workers live in RI, NH, or Central Mass, and getting to work for 9 am consistently will involve leaving at 730 for many, many workers due to congestion, construction, and the god-awful mess that is Boston infrastructure…

This is the exact reason I don't commute by car. I live in Jamaica Plain and work in Kendall Square. Driving takes 45 minutes to go 4 miles. Taking the T takes 40 minutes. I ride my bike and my commute is 17 minutes each way, no matter the hour, traffic, or weather.

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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Oh, tech companies. If only there were a way to have conversations about, create, and transmit computer programs using some kind of long-distance network. Maybe we could break the data up into "packets". Just thinking out loud here. Then maybe everyone creating textual output for a living wouldn't have to transport their physical body to an office. We can dream.

There are companies out there that are fully remote (like my current employer https://www.sonatype.com/ ). Though I suppose many of them don't like to hire fresh graduates so you could be in a bit of a chicken/egg problem.

I've been a fully remote developer for 4 1/2 years. My employer has no physical office.

I live in a pleasant medium-sized town, I bought a house for less than a Bay-area toolshed, and I can commute myself downstairs to make a sandwich.

If every worker were remote, can you even imagine how hard you'd have to work to justify a physical office to the CFO and potential hires?

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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A lot of companies have been moving to LA/SD recently for this reason. There are plenty of cities that offer more than the Bay Area without the NIMBY attitude toward building new housing.

Which companies are these?

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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The sad fact is that long as people are willing to put up with this nothing is going to change. The crazy rents and terrible commutes sound insane to anyone living elsewhere but people are continuously more than happy to continue doing them to work at companies that haven't been priced out yet either. It's not an issue of social mobility either, since people living in the bay area are some of the most socially mobile…

> It's not an issue of social mobility either, since people living in the bay area are some of the most socially mobile workforce there is.

The article focuses on non-tech workers. Who may not be socially mobile.

These areas need non-tech workers just as they need tech-workers. It's tough to have teachers work and live in Sunnyvale, where the median house price is pushing $2M. Many of your Lyft and Uber drivers will be coming in from 90+ minute commutes.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t busses going to contribute to the problem? A city close to mine wants to extended the light rail a few miles to do hub and spoke. I would think a tunnel or railway alongside a highway would reduce traffic.

How would buses contribute to the problem? Assuming every person who takes the bus would otherwise drive, a single bus would wipe out dozens of cars on the roads.

> Assuming every person who takes the bus would otherwise drive

This assumption is where the problem is. For example, Google employees live in central San Francisco but commute to work in Mountain View because a bus service was added. They wouldn't be attempting that commute in a car in the first place. These busses have added to traffic, not reduced it.

Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies

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Oh, tech companies. If only there were a way to have conversations about, create, and transmit computer programs using some kind of long-distance network. Maybe we could break the data up into "packets". Just thinking out loud here. Then maybe everyone creating textual output for a living wouldn't have to transport their physical body to an office. We can dream.

The article interviews a restaurant manager and a construction site superintendent. Non tech workers are significantly more affected than tech workers, because they cannot afford to live closer to their place of employment, and do not have access to the perks (work from home, shuttles, etc.) that tech workers have.
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