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Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by bonesss »

DocTomoe wrote: post #128
y_molodtsov wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the hate. It's still a good way to send a password or some financial information, just because you know that it's going to be deleted soon and if in the future your contact's account is hacked it will be long gone. Basically, it's a secret chat for email.

Well, i wonder how they will make other mail providers (or clients, for that matter) to honour this kind of mail headers.

My take on the criticism here is that people are ignoring that Google has a lot of customers on GMail and a lot of corporations on GSuite. Intra-office email management is another ballgame and these kinds of features are pretty common in that space (Novell had them in the 90s even).

For users outside of Googles platform the obvious solution is either not to send them or to send a managed link to the message contents via normal email.

It can't be perfect thanks to the analogue hole, but it only has to be a bit better than nothing to provide utility.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by jk2323 »

What is good about Gmail? Imap is a nightmare if you travel a lot (Please log-in via Browser), it is a privacy nightmare..If you forget your password, who can you call? What is good about it? Okay, it is free and has the best "search" option.

You can get a domain with Webmail and IMAP for a few bucks.

gandi.net (France)

infomaniak.com (Switzerland)

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by KayL »

Wish they can add different swipe left/right actions to their mobile APP. It's the only reason I don't use their Gmail APP. Others Mail APP has less real-time sync than the official one.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by bonesss »

josteink wrote: post #95
Applejinx wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Finally, email meets DRM!

Not to mention everyone who uses email may now need to have a Google-account to read email, even if they don't use Google mail services themselves. I wonder if they had any discussions about this internally, and if anyone on the engineering team objected to such changes. I find it hard to believe such a change was done by pure accident without anyone noticing.

Discussions about it internally?

They're pushing GSuite for governments, corporations, schools... Things like 'read receipts', email recalls, and such are common questions and common scenarios that are supported by their competition. I bet this is in a well curated list of requests from schools, healthcare organisations, and MegaCorps alike...

For people outside the Google sphere there are numerous alternatives to make this appealing. A single-use link, for example, or just slapping OAuth on there. The baseline is open email, so any kind of trace-ability is a huge improvement.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by tokenizerrr »

steeve wrote: post #4

It looks like the good things of Inbox are now in Gmail. That would explain the lack of updates on the Inbox iOS App (which still doesn't have proper iPhone X support)?

It seems bundling mails together isn't in Gmail yet? Too bad, it's the only reason I use Inbox.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by kroberton »

Promarged wrote: post #144
kroberton wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. And: https://tutanota.com/ Gmail used to be good alright, but then it started to ask for my phone number all the time. I've switched to Tutanota recently, much better IMO, particularly the new client: https://mail.tutanota.com/

I just tested tutanota. The interface is clean and nice but the encryption to external contacts is the same as in Gmail (link back to tutanota and shared passwords). Why can't these services use something like OpenPGP's Web Key Discovery [0] fetching key from https://domain.com/.well-known/openpgp/hu/hash-for-localpart and avoid links altogether? [0]: https://www.gnupg.org/blog/20160830-web-key-service.html

Avoiding links is the ultimate goal, hopefully Tutanota will integrate your suggestion or something similar. I've moved my entire family to Tutanota, which also works quite well. But you'll never convince everybody...

As far as I know self-destruct emails in Gmail are not end-to-end encrypted.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by JorgeGT »

_pmf_ wrote: post #103
gambiting wrote: post #12

Am I the only one that dreads new product updates recently? I used to be super enthusiastic about every new update for everything(cool! more stuff!) but Android, Youtube and Windows 10 updates especially have made me extremely jaded - it feels like every update I either lose some functionality or something I used every day has now moved to a completely different place for no good reason. I seriously consider disablin…

> Am I the only one that dreads new product updates recently? It comes with age.

It comes with experience.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by adambyrtek »

exikyut wrote: post #116
mraison wrote: post #13

I can't see the "Try the new Gmail" setting. Is there a geographic/locale restriction? (I tried switching my account to English without luck)

Same, with two accounts. Australia here, if that makes any difference. Clearly it's a staggered rollout thing that hasn't fully taken effect. (Which is stupid, when you do this kind of thing at scale you pick an exact time to go "live", add some code that enables the flag at some point after that exact moment in time, then do a rollout early enough that all the machines in the cluster are updated with that code by th…

This is definitely deliberate, upgrading everybody (almost) at once could work, but would have been a huge risk at their scale. You want to roll out big features like that incrementally so that you can monitor the load, catch any issues early, and give yourself a chance to revert if things go wrong without pissing off the whole world.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by amelius »

kroberton wrote: post #139
ankitank wrote: post #135

Actually, the new gmail is: https://protonmail.com/

Agreed. And: https://tutanota.com/ Gmail used to be good alright, but then it started to ask for my phone number all the time. I've switched to Tutanota recently, much better IMO, particularly the new client: https://mail.tutanota.com/

Is it open-source like protonmail?
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