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Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by lou1306 »

jwr wrote: post #57
gambiting wrote: post #12

Am I the only one that dreads new product updates recently? I used to be super enthusiastic about every new update for everything(cool! more stuff!) but Android, Youtube and Windows 10 updates especially have made me extremely jaded - it feels like every update I either lose some functionality or something I used every day has now moved to a completely different place for no good reason. I seriously consider disablin…

This is why I use specific apps for critical things in my life and very rarely change them (even though I regularly try alternatives, just to see if grass is greener on the other side!). For mail, Apple's Mail.app can't be beat: nothing else works as fast with my E-mail archive dating back to 1994. For programming, I still haven't found anything that beats Emacs. Using apps instead of letting Google read my mail solv…

> Apple's Mail.app can't be beat

Uhm, I think there are some great 3rd party apps out there that are much more powerful. But I concur that an actual email client is the way to go, especially as soon as you have more than one address.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by y_molodtsov »

donmb wrote: post #32
gambiting wrote: post #12

Am I the only one that dreads new product updates recently? I used to be super enthusiastic about every new update for everything(cool! more stuff!) but Android, Youtube and Windows 10 updates especially have made me extremely jaded - it feels like every update I either lose some functionality or something I used every day has now moved to a completely different place for no good reason. I seriously consider disablin…

For gmail I use Apple mail ever since and I don't care at all about the web interface. Hence everything stays as it is because Apple Mail is probably the less updated software in the world.

Unfortunately mobile Mail app still has issues with push notifications from Gmail — they come a few minutes late at least.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by Applejinx »

josteink wrote: post #75
steve19 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone know how this works with IMAP? Does it just not show up in IMAP, otherwise forwarding etc. is trivial (ignoring the fact that you could just screenshot the message and send the screenshot)

> Anyone know how this works with IMAP? The email contains a link to a site controlled by Google which holds the actual "email's" content. Forwarding the email will only forward a link to an access-controlled resource.

Finally, email meets DRM!

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by y_molodtsov »

cooper12 wrote: post #83
hestefisk wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lame feature. Take screenshot. File / forward to circumvent.

"Features" like these are actually worse than useless because they give users a false sense of security.

I don't understand the hate. It's still a good way to send a password or some financial information, just because you know that it's going to be deleted soon and if in the future your contact's account is hacked it will be long gone. Basically, it's a secret chat for email.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by josteink »

Applejinx wrote: post #93
josteink wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyone know how this works with IMAP? The email contains a link to a site controlled by Google which holds the actual "email's" content. Forwarding the email will only forward a link to an access-controlled resource.

Finally, email meets DRM!

Not to mention everyone who uses email may now need to have a Google-account to read email, even if they don't use Google mail services themselves.

I wonder if they had any discussions about this internally, and if anyone on the engineering team objected to such changes. I find it hard to believe such a change was done by pure accident without anyone noticing.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by puzzle »

mraison wrote: post #13

I can't see the "Try the new Gmail" setting. Is there a geographic/locale restriction? (I tried switching my account to English without luck)

The feature flag probably hasn't been flipped through all the Gmail clusters yet, but probably will be soon.

EDIT, for more clarity: Gmail spans lots of clusters ("Gmail's web interface runs in many locations”, https://gmail.googleblog.com/2009/09/more-on-todays-gmail-is...) and Google is an US-centric ("5%") company, so it's likely that the rollout has been timed to be complete or mostly complete during the day... US daytime, that is. It's barely 5AM on the East Coast.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by vatueil »

therealmarv wrote: post #51
jamiegreen wrote: post #31

Anyone able to shed any light on what is Google's strategy regarding the Inbox/Gmail split?

look here: https://www.computerworld.com/article/3269253/enterprise-app... Quote: "With respect to the upcoming Gmail announcement, there are no changes to Inbox by Gmail," a Google spokesperson tells me. "It remains a great product for users with specific workflows and one in which we test innovative features for email." My opinion: Does not sound confident for me... it will be a always beta product?!

> My opinion: Does not sound confident for me... it will be a always beta product?!

Asked if Gmail update meant changes to Inbox, Google said no. Sounds simple to me.

As for being a "beta" product, to the extent that's true it's nothing new: from the start Inbox has always been a testing ground for new ideas, where the Gmail team could experiment without dealing with the entire Gmail userbase.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by mimsee »

hestefisk wrote: post #40
pferde wrote: post #19

"Finally, a new confidential mode allows you to remove the option to forward, copy, download or print messages—useful for when you have to send sensitive information via email like a tax return or your social security number. You can also make a message expire after a set period of time to help you stay in control of your information." No, thanks. I like my e-mail archive under my own control.

Lame feature. Take screenshot. File / forward to circumvent.

What they could do is put the contents in a video* and have the media be DRM'd. You couldn't take a screenshot, only a picture with your phone.

*Or image, not really sure if that works.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by car_invasion »

I think the way the Gmail team implements new features is quite cautious when I compare that, for example, to the recent Reddit redesign.

Progressive and slow changes, so that the users don't notice them and get overwhelmed is the way to go. I bet Google has the manpower and funds to A/B test the usefulness and user acceptance of any such changes.

Re: A rundown of the new Gmail

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Post by statictype »

dirtylowprofile wrote: post #80

I don't know but web interfaces are not a thing to me anymore. I am using Airmail for both my personal and work email. Those new features are just meh.

Airmail is great until I find that I collect a lot of mail - At that point - it starts becoming extremely buggy.

I tried it a few times - each time worked great at the start and then fell apart once the mail volume grew.

Gmail's web interface, crappy though it may be, seems to be the interface that works best out of the lot.

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