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So Long Last /8 and Thanks For All the Allocations

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Re: So Long Last /8 and Thanks For All the Allocations

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Post by JaiR8hiK »

cm2187 wrote: post #9

Even in developed countries IPv6 is barely deployed (my UK ISP - BT - pretends that they rolled it out but half of the time my modem tells me IPv6 is not availabled until I force it to reconnect, and no sign of IPv6 on mobile networks). Was looking at whether it was more economical to buy a small address block vs rent it from a datacentre. A /24 address block seems to cost around $4,000 upfront but then you need to p…

Have you tried using a linux-based router? ISP-provided CPE is notoriously bad on average, especially in the IPv6 area.

Re: So Long Last /8 and Thanks For All the Allocations

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Post by chrisper »

cm2187 wrote: post #9

Even in developed countries IPv6 is barely deployed (my UK ISP - BT - pretends that they rolled it out but half of the time my modem tells me IPv6 is not availabled until I force it to reconnect, and no sign of IPv6 on mobile networks). Was looking at whether it was more economical to buy a small address block vs rent it from a datacentre. A /24 address block seems to cost around $4,000 upfront but then you need to p…

Hetzner allows you to have a block, but it requires you to be a Hetzner client.

Re: So Long Last /8 and Thanks For All the Allocations

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Post by cm2187 »

JaiR8hiK wrote: post #11
cm2187 wrote: post #9

Even in developed countries IPv6 is barely deployed (my UK ISP - BT - pretends that they rolled it out but half of the time my modem tells me IPv6 is not availabled until I force it to reconnect, and no sign of IPv6 on mobile networks). Was looking at whether it was more economical to buy a small address block vs rent it from a datacentre. A /24 address block seems to cost around $4,000 upfront but then you need to p…

Have you tried using a linux-based router? ISP-provided CPE is notoriously bad on average, especially in the IPv6 area.

It's a brand-new BT router so I would be surprised if that was the case. I suspect the non IPv6 connectivity rather come from which node I connect to on the network.

Re: So Long Last /8 and Thanks For All the Allocations

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Post by pgeorgi »

nsbq71 wrote: post #4

>we still have around nine million recovered IPv4 addresses in our available pool. Under current policy and growth rates, we expect these to last a further two years. And by then they will have recovered even more. The end of IPv4 is a lie, and how bad IPv6 is and the lack of good transitioning systems doesn't help.

That's approximately a /17 worth of IPv4 addreses, recovered over multiple years going through all the low hanging fruit (eg the original /8 networks).

9 million addresses for 2 years is a burn rate of ~375k/month. Another 2 million newly obtained addresses in the next 2 years will last 6 more months.

At some point IPv6 will become more economical.

Re: So Long Last /8 and Thanks For All the Allocations

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Post by jlg23 »

isostatic wrote: post #2

"It's important to keep in mind that while 185/8 is finished, we still have around nine million recovered IPv4 addresses in our available pool. Under current policy and growth rates, we expect these to last a further two years." They've really cracked down on IP allocation since the days of giving companies entire /8s, or even since 2012 "185/8 was allocated in just five and a half years...in comparison, the precedin…

> They've really cracked down on IP allocation since the days of giving companies entire /8s [...]

You did not have to be a company, your estimates of how many of the IPs you request you'll plan to use right away, after one and after two years just had to be within some boundaries (ripe form #160, if memory serves me correctly).

Re: So Long Last /8 and Thanks For All the Allocations

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Post by ulzeraj »

grenoire wrote: post #6
alex_hitchins wrote: post #5

Does anyone know the amount of IP space that's allocated but never used or even allocations that have no routes to? I know there is a market to lease IP4 blocks and there is a resale market. I just wondered how much is just being sat on.

What are the main issues with IPv6? Edit: I did not mean this as a derogatory question. It's legitimate. I simply posted it under the wrong OP. Calm down people.

IMO retarded greedy ISPs issuing /64 prefixes to customers. Now you aren’t supposed to NAT but you can’t have multiple subnets either.

Re: So Long Last /8 and Thanks For All the Allocations

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Post by freeone3000 »

nsbq71 wrote: post #4

>we still have around nine million recovered IPv4 addresses in our available pool. Under current policy and growth rates, we expect these to last a further two years. And by then they will have recovered even more. The end of IPv4 is a lie, and how bad IPv6 is and the lack of good transitioning systems doesn't help.

What's wrong with IPv6? The only complaints I've seen are "the numbers are bigger", as if that's not the point, and that makes them harder to remember.

Re: So Long Last /8 and Thanks For All the Allocations

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Post by chedabob »

cm2187 wrote: post #9

Even in developed countries IPv6 is barely deployed (my UK ISP - BT - pretends that they rolled it out but half of the time my modem tells me IPv6 is not availabled until I force it to reconnect, and no sign of IPv6 on mobile networks). Was looking at whether it was more economical to buy a small address block vs rent it from a datacentre. A /24 address block seems to cost around $4,000 upfront but then you need to p…

Ah I thought I'd imagined the BT router saying it supported IPV6. By the time I'd enabled DHCPv6 on my Mikrotik hardware, it had disappeared from the HomeHub dashboard.

Re: So Long Last /8 and Thanks For All the Allocations

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Post by chrisper »

freeone3000 wrote: post #17
nsbq71 wrote: post #4

>we still have around nine million recovered IPv4 addresses in our available pool. Under current policy and growth rates, we expect these to last a further two years. And by then they will have recovered even more. The end of IPv4 is a lie, and how bad IPv6 is and the lack of good transitioning systems doesn't help.

What's wrong with IPv6? The only complaints I've seen are "the numbers are bigger", as if that's not the point, and that makes them harder to remember.

My "main issue" with it is that if people are used to being behind NAT, they now have to be a bit more careful about securing their computers (firewall etc.) because every computer now is publicly accessible. Most routers do not even seem to have an IPv6 firewall.
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