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When it came to Australia it essentially forced the closure of the Ford and Holden (GM) vehicle design and factories. You can buy a brand new Chinese car with a 3 year warranty for less than the depreciation on a new Ford/GM/Toyota would be in 2 years. So after 3 years you can literally drive the Chinese vehicle to the dump and buy another one, and you're still up financially. Reviews so far say they're cheap, you ge…

> they're cheap, you get what you pay for, but they work and are reliable enough. Chinese vehicles are not as safe in accidents as those cars which have had a longer time to engineer safety technologies. Also the price point of most Chinese cars do now allow for addition of safety technologies at the level of most other non-Chinese vehicles. Same thing with the upcoming COMAC Chinese-made airplanes. You do not want t…

Ford, BMW, VW, Volvo, etc already manufacture cars in China, and with 50% to 100% Chinese ownership its pretty obvious the next generation of Chinese cars are going to have the same level of refinement and safety as these (because, well Fuck IP rights) and at about half the price

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America has killed quite a few million people during its delivering democracy to the desert adventures in just last one decade. Pretty sure its more than what Chinese have done by a magnitude of 10x. Have you considered consuming less American made products?

Consider consuming less USA products? Hmm... No, never, not at all. The truth is no one knows How many people have been killed in China. Another truth is: I can sit here in NY and say Trump is an Idiot who should be Impeached because he is AN ASS and wake up safe and sound in the morning. Try that in China and let me know how that works out for ya.

forget trump, try calling a state trooper an ass next time you are pulled over and see how that works out for ya:) you are allowed to criticize or insult trump because your criticism or insults hace 0 influence on anything. Regular chinese person talking shit about the govt is taken seriously because thats not something anybody does and will attract a lot of attention from other people and can result in a problem for the govt. if your words had potential to create serious problens for American government you would have been silenced very quickly.

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In big Chinese cities it costs you the equivalent of many thousands of dollars to get a licence plate. Without that city plate you cannot drive in the city during rush hour, you have to have a city plate. Typically electric cars and plug in hybrids are exempt from the scheme. This means that if you live in Shenzen and want to get around then you can see if you win the lottery of licence plates and are allowed to pay…

Just to be clear, Shanghai is the one and only city where license plate cost thousands of dollars.

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If global markets aren't transforming China out of totalitarianism, then morally, shouldn't we stop assisting the economic development of China? I'm horrified by some of the stories I've been told by my Chinese co-workers. Threats of violence to family members (for speaking freely) by the Chinese government is extremely common.

This is a very fair point. There are so many things that go unmentioned when discussing the consequences (current and long term) of globalism. Particularly a nation state such as China.

Here are a few I can think of:

1. Mass global pollution. Not only transporting materials, but largely unregulated environmental destruction. What would the pollution levels look like today without NAFTA ETC? I muse at how the most ardent environmentalists (pushing for environmental regulation in California ETC) are also often the biggest globalists. A clean planet and Globalism have been proven in the last 25 years to be mutually exclusive.

2. The morality issue that was raised. We have unions and social justice warriors in this country fighting for higher minimum wage, living wage, cheap/free health care, open borders to refugees and any in need, Freedoms of every sort. Politicians run campaigns and voters vote for people because of this stuff, yet they buy 80% of their merchandise from countries that treat their people like human garbage and 20+% of their produce and services from companies employing illegals (who treat them like garbage). What does that say about us? We are virtue seeking people, which boycotting China and other groups doesn't currently recognize? Do we only fight for peoples rights and well being when it won't cost us cheap crap from Walmart or cause the businessman that exploitative but lucrative offshore business. Or do we care only about the plight of US Minorities, but not the far worse off people in China. Our poorest 10% are far freer and better off economically and medically than 90% of them you know? Don't start stating fabricated census garbage to me. I am close friends with people who grew up there and have heard first hand how poor most factory workers are there. Every US citizen with half a heart should be appalled and demanding that we boycott China until they start to treat their people with a shred of human dignity. Their leaders see the citizens there as nothing more than disposable drones who's only mission is to deliver ever more power to the top.

3. We have enabled China to become a world power. People laugh at the thought of China being a military threat to the US. Are you kidding? Do you know the raw manufacturing power of that country? Do you realize that the next war will be fought and won with Drones? (in the millions or perhaps tens of millions). So who do you think can outlast the other? Manufacturing and innovation has always won wars. Good segway...

4. Innovation and intellectual property. So I don't know if you have noticed this, but all of our technology seems to leak out and end up all over China. They clone everything. Are they just really good at reverse engineering things? Well yes, but often they steal (helped by their own government) from us (high tech espionage). They produce counterfeits that compete with out own designed products and flood our own market with them. They even combine stolen research and create superior products to ours. They stole Nuke technology from us for crying out loud, and we just shrugged... Why can't we hold them accountable for these things? When Google was over there, they tried to steal all of their tech at the time. They do it to everybody. When it comes to dealings with other countries, they are lawless. Their own government conspires against us along with wealthy business owners.

5. They manipulate their own currency to force out factories out of existence. Since they don't care about how impoverished their work force is, they can outlast any competitor. Many factories move abroad because of this (just to compete).

6. Since we pay them with American currency, they often buy up our countries bonds, companies, real estate, ETC. How is it good that we have become so dependent on a rouge and untrustworthy, immoral state who owns much of our property and debt?

Is it really worth all that cheap crap we have sitting around in our closets, attics and garages (not to mention landfills) for all of this?

Someone please tell me all the benefits of globalism (particularly with China). Make a convincing argument FOR globalism please.

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If global markets aren't transforming China out of totalitarianism, then morally, shouldn't we stop assisting the economic development of China? I'm horrified by some of the stories I've been told by my Chinese co-workers. Threats of violence to family members (for speaking freely) by the Chinese government is extremely common.

America has killed quite a few million people during its delivering democracy to the desert adventures in just last one decade. Pretty sure its more than what Chinese have done by a magnitude of 10x. Have you considered consuming less American made products?

So we should boycott american companies for the democracy seeking missions of our government How does that make sense? If you don't like what our leaders are doing, vote and campaign for someone else. That isn't an option for the Chinese people (at least not for those who like to live). The government will only change if they feel a pain in their pocketbook.

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I didn't know this was controversial in any way, they've been in the Oceania market for some time. My wife and I own a Chery J3, purchased it new. It came with a 3 year mechanical warranty plus other benefits for like half the price of a Japanese car. I mean, it's pretty obviously catering for the "budget" market, it is literally the cheapest new car you can buy in the country. But it has suited our needs and we're a…

The Chery J3 costs just as much as the Japanese car if not more. The catch is when you crash you pay with your life. The J3 has very poor body integrity in an accident. It should be pulled from all markets immediately. If you value life you should immediately get rid of this car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naUWH8Scc80

Are you sure you're describing the same car as I am? It's called a J3 in my country, but appears to be labelled differently internationally. It's also a 2016 model.

Chery A3, M11, Cielo etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chery_A3

> The Chery J3 costs just as much as the Japanese car if not more.

You're really not correct on this. Some of the budget Japanese models come close, they are between 5-7k more in local currency. The popular "standard" Japanese models really are twice the price. The South Korean "Kia" is probably the close in terms of pricing/competition.

Have a look through the AA new car price list:

https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/buying-a-car/car-buying-guide/new-...

We're talking 16k NZD for the Cherry compared to anywhere between 22k - 32k for Japanese models. Maybe you could find some random model that comes close, but we couldn't "out in the wild" when we were shopping.

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Consider consuming less USA products? Hmm... No, never, not at all. The truth is no one knows How many people have been killed in China. Another truth is: I can sit here in NY and say Trump is an Idiot who should be Impeached because he is AN ASS and wake up safe and sound in the morning. Try that in China and let me know how that works out for ya.

forget trump, try calling a state trooper an ass next time you are pulled over and see how that works out for ya:) you are allowed to criticize or insult trump because your criticism or insults hace 0 influence on anything. Regular chinese person talking shit about the govt is taken seriously because thats not something anybody does and will attract a lot of attention from other people and can result in a problem for…

I have told troopers that they are rude and doing unnecessary things (when they actually have). I don't mouth off at them or start throwing expletives. How can you be uncivil and not expect trouble anywhere in life? It's called consequences. If your boss at work makes a decision that pisses you off, can you just go off on him and expect to still work there? My guess would be no.

Don't be shitty to people and people usually won't be shitty to you. If they are anyway, put the recorded dash-cam event on YouTube and they will get fired.

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Not necessarily. A country can be prosperous with no foreign trade. Earth has no foreign trade and extreme poverty there fell by 50% between 2000 and 2012. China is not even an order of magnitude smaller.

My understanding is that Earth imports almost 100% of its energy without generating any for export. Would you care to see what happens when its foreign energy supply is truly cut off?

True of all countries.

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Not necessarily. A country can be prosperous with no foreign trade. Earth has no foreign trade and extreme poverty there fell by 50% between 2000 and 2012. China is not even an order of magnitude smaller.

Either way you might still have totalitarianism.

That's true. Totalitarianism is a function of ideas. And other factors, of course.

Like geography. Earth does not have a totalitarian government for that reason. It's too hard to control the whole thing, while it would be much easier if it were one contiguous flat continent. Probably the reason Europe isn't, but China and Russia are. And why North America may be in the long run (yikes!).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

America has killed quite a few million people during its delivering democracy to the desert adventures in just last one decade. Pretty sure its more than what Chinese have done by a magnitude of 10x. Have you considered consuming less American made products?

So we should boycott american companies for the democracy seeking missions of our government How does that make sense? If you don't like what our leaders are doing, vote and campaign for someone else. That isn't an option for the Chinese people (at least not for those who like to live). The government will only change if they feel a pain in their pocketbook.

I'm pretty sure, that Syrians didn't elect US government...
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