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No, you are not "running late", you are rude & selfish

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Re: No, you are not "running late", you are rude & selfish

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post #84

Scheduling a meeting at 9am is also rather inconsiderate towards me. Besides, why don't you just start without me? By scheduling it at 9am, you have made it clear that my attention is not really important to you.

What's wrong with 9am?

The part that says "am".

Re: No, you are not "running late", you are rude & selfish

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post #105
post #84

Scheduling a meeting at 9am is also rather inconsiderate towards me. Besides, why don't you just start without me? By scheduling it at 9am, you have made it clear that my attention is not really important to you.

What's wrong with 9am?

If you like 9am, how would you like 7pm?

Re: No, you are not "running late", you are rude & selfish

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Just scanned the article... the bit about the dinner party is funny. I'm imagining the author fuming and sneaking looks at his watch as friends come progressively in later.

His girlfriend catches the look on his face while he's helping with the coats and hisses "not now!".

As the dinner party progresses, conversation remains strained as the last of their friends arrive "Sorry mate, traffic was awful", Greg mutters something under his breath while everybody pretends not to hear.

Later, once everyone's left it's same argument again: her friends are "productivity obstacles" while she chokes back the tears she asking why he won't just let it go. The anger, coiled like a spring in his stomach is still there though: this is important, why don't they realise... !?

Re: No, you are not "running late", you are rude & selfish

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to understand what lateness means. If someone is late because she was "getting ready" that means "I would rather spend time looking at myself in a mirror than spend time with you". Friends are not so disrespectful of friends.

Or spend time making themselves look respectful. If people regularly turned up unkempt (unshaved/hair in a mess/yesterday's dinner on their week-worn t-shirt) the article would be complaining about that.

Umm, it is entirely possible to show up on time and looking presentable. Millions of people do it everyday.

You are not a precious and unique snowflake.

Re: No, you are not "running late", you are rude & selfish

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Stereotyping' is just a way to extrapolate past experiences, of yourself or of others, into future situations to make reasonable assumptions about those situations. If it's customary for Indians to be late, it's perfectly reasonable for me to assume you'll be late on an appointment if I don't know anything about you. Once I get to know you, and notice that you're always on time, I will adjust my expectations of appo…

According to OS X's dashboard dictionary widget (Oxford American?) Stereotype: a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing. That "oversimplified" is what makes it an unreasonable assumption.

Dictionary definitions are oversimplified meanings of real world word usage. People, almost all people, use words in slightly to significantly different meanings from dictionary usage. Also, objecting to someones use of a word based on minor differences with the dictionary definition is a version of argument from authority.

Re: No, you are not "running late", you are rude & selfish

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post #10

No, really. I'm running late. My friends understand that we know are being a pain in the ass, but we just can't get it together. It is rude and selfish, but more than that, it's just because we can't get our act together in time. It's called "kids", man. Get over it.

My father worked long hours, and my mother managed four boys at once, and we were really too close in age for even the oldest to be much help with the youngest. She is the one who taught me that being late is impolite, if you need to get there a little early to be sure you're not late, then that's what you do. Kids appear to have become a great excuse for whiners and the perpetually incompetent, for almost anything they do, or don't do.

Re: No, you are not "running late", you are rude & selfish

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post #6

As someone who's chronically early... If it involves travel of any kind in a US city (9am meetings imply that), sorry, lateness is a given. 10 am, 11am, etc, no problem being draconian, unless it actually involves inter-city travel (i.e. not employees - in the sense that they're people who know where they're going). If you're asking people to go to a place that you're familiar with and they're not, just assume they'r…

Maybe you should learn to read a map, and actually, you know, plan your route ahead of time. I wonder if trying to read a GPS while driving might be almost as bad as talking on a cell phone?

Re: No, you are not "running late", you are rude & selfish

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post #51

I also find doctors to be late in perpetuity, ive never in my life waited less than 10 minutes PAST the actual appointment time. This is both an easily identifiable problem and easy to fix, the receptionists could easily structure appointments more appropriately.

Well the problem may vary from provider to provider (and country to country), but after observing my wife's situation as a physician in the U.S., I can tell you that many doctors aren't late volitionally. First, the problem isn't easily fixed. Here's the deal: At her HMO each doctor has a panel of several thousand patients. Each patient visit during a normal clinical day gets a 15 minute allocation with the MD. It us…

It was her choice to work in that situation, so I have very limited sympathy.

Re: No, you are not "running late", you are rude & selfish

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to OS X's dashboard dictionary widget (Oxford American?) Stereotype: a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing. That "oversimplified" is what makes it an unreasonable assumption.

Dictionary definitions are oversimplified meanings of real world word usage. People, almost all people, use words in slightly to significantly different meanings from dictionary usage. Also, objecting to someones use of a word based on minor differences with the dictionary definition is a version of argument from authority.

roel_v and I seem to have settled that the individual meanings of 'stereotyping' are not the issue here.

What I'm objecting to is what I have explained I mean by the word in the context of the original assertion by elbenshira, viz. that regard for punctuality is predominantly an American/Western trait.

And if you don't mind, this is all I have to say about it.

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