What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data” • Hacker News Board

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by PeterisP » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 3:54 PM UTC

dmoo wrote: post #16

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's yet to be seen. Can you imagine the ire when Europeans are able to download a rich set of information on how they're being tracked and so on, whereas Americans and the rest of the world has no access to that information? I can't. What is more probable is tha FB will try a legal trick claiming they are an American company and they follow the laws of California, not EU, even if they gladly accept European advert…

This is why FB has moved data for 1.5b users back to the USA

It's the 1.5b non-EU users who were legally treated as customers of Facebook Ireland subsidiary.

This is an indication that they won't apply GDPR globally (for users in e.g. India or Brazil), but they don't have a choice for the EU users.

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by mixedCase » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 3:56 PM UTC

dwyerm wrote: post #45

fredley wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I'm waiting to delete my account until after the 25th because: * There's slightly more of a chance they'll actually delete my data * If they don't, I'll be entitled to be a part of any class-action.

> If they don't, I'll be entitled to be a part of any class-action. I am absolutely shocked to discover that Facebook doesn't have a class action waiver in their terms.

Would it be enforceable?

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by y4mi » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 3:56 PM UTC

jononor wrote: post #40

balladeer wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will that be a possibility for people who are not from USA? I had deleted (not deactivated) my account ~4 months ago and they were supposed to delete everything after 14 days but I have a feeling they didn't.

What do you mean not from USA? The legislation going into action May 25 is GDPR which applies to those in EU

Yeah, this comment thread is strange.

Most eu Nations don't have anything like a class action suit...

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by not_that_noob » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 4:30 PM UTC

There is a potentially disastrous blow to FB's business model in the GDPR that relates to this sort of profiling. It is forbidden under GDPR, unless the user grants explicit consent (opt-in). See [1].

Without this, FB's targeting abilities for ads just evaporates. It is going to be interesting to see how this pans out.

[1] https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-da...

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by textmode » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 4:38 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #2

"But 'Download Your Data' hardly tells you everything Facebook knows about you. Among the information not included: - information Facebook collects about your browsing history; - information Facebook collects about the apps you visit and your activity within those apps; - the advertisers who uploaded your contact information to Facebook more than two months earlier; - ads that you interacted with more than two months…

- the data that Facebook collected about you from various other sources, e.g., data brokers

Mr. Zuckerberg and other Facebook staff assert: "We do not sell data."

Does Facebook acquire/purchase data about people from other sources, e.g., data brokers, and then combine it with (a) the highly personal data people voluntarily submit to Facebook and (b) the highly personal behavioural data people consent to allow Facebook to collect from their use of the Facebook website, Facebook app, and websites hosting Facebook anchors.

Is Facebook allowing users to download all the data Facebook has on them?

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by macintux » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 4:51 PM UTC

Despite never enabling location services, Facebook once (briefly) gave me a weather forecast when I was traveling. Spooked me quite a bit.

The best I could figure is that I temporarily enabled access to my camera roll so I could post a few photos (ordinarily I just copy/paste them to keep Facebook out of my photos), and either it scanned the photos' exif data during upload or directly from the roll once I enabled it.

I wasn't remotely surprised to find that particular piece of location data wasn't part of the data download.

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by josefresco » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 4:56 PM UTC

908087 wrote: post #44

fortythirteen wrote: post #29

> Wikileaks, Julian Assange, and alt-right provocateurs recommend giving it a whirl. Classic guilt-by-association propaganda technique.

I really can't even figure out what posessed the writer to put that line in there. It has absolutely nothing to do with the story, and kind of comes out of nowhere.

The author linked to Tweets from said individuals who were mentioning the tool. So it's relevant, however a bit odd they chose those specific examples when I'm sure they're are other "celebrities" who also linked to the tool. Maybe the author thought of these people as those most interested in data privacy?

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by jotato » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 5:05 PM UTC

matlock wrote: post #14

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's yet to be seen. Can you imagine the ire when Europeans are able to download a rich set of information on how they're being tracked and so on, whereas Americans and the rest of the world has no access to that information? I can't. What is more probable is tha FB will try a legal trick claiming they are an American company and they follow the laws of California, not EU, even if they gladly accept European advert…

"What is more probable is tha FB will try a legal trick claiming they are an American company and they follow the laws of California, not EU, even if they gladly accept European advertisers's money via Ireland" That is specifically not possible under GDPR. It doesn't matter where your company sits, if you store data from europeans (or people living in europe) you have to follow the GDPR with potential for severe puni…

How can the EU punish a business with no EU location? An American company is not bound by another countries laws

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 5:06 PM UTC

r3bl wrote: post #41

lamename wrote: post #24

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> ... if you store data from europeans (or people living in europe) you have to follow the GDPR ... Does that mean the company has to follow it even for non-European users?

I live in the EU. If I'm your "customer" (as in, you store my personally identifiable data), you have to comply with GDPR, regardless of where your company is. Hope that simplifies things.

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Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by dhimes » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 5:11 PM UTC

mixedCase wrote: post #52

dwyerm wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they don't, I'll be entitled to be a part of any class-action. I am absolutely shocked to discover that Facebook doesn't have a class action waiver in their terms.

Would it be enforceable?

Good question. Yahoo/Verizon put one in, and Google did too last week. EDIT to say: Well, I came across Google's last week. I don't really know when they put it in.