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Tracking the Illegal Shipment of Sarin Precursor from Belgium to Syria
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Re: Tracking the Illegal Shipment of Sarin Precursor from Belgium to Syria
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure which of the 70+ documented attacks you are referring to. And the White Helmets would disagree, and are less subject to Syrian governmental “persuasion” than doctors. There is a reason Assad’s government blocked inspectors from examining the latest claimed attack.
"The White Helmets" -- there's your problem. > There is a reason Assad’s government blocked inspectors from examining the latest claimed attack. That did not happen.
Is the Washington Post & OPCW lying?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chemical-weapons-coveru...
I assume you believe that since you also apparently believe Russian and Syrian claims that a volunteer search and rescue organization that's helped thousands of people is really made up of terrorists generating false flag stories. And by the downvotes you aren't the only one.
Though I also see you don't have any response to the fact that over 70 chemical weapon attacks have been reported.
Re: Tracking the Illegal Shipment of Sarin Precursor from Belgium to Syria
#43I want to be clear that I don’t know if chemical weapons are being used in Syria, although the evidence for the use of Chlorine in barrel bombs is strong. I’ll be honest and say that I haven’t seen good evidence of organophosphate poisonings, but I’m just some guy so who knows. What I do know for sure however, is that this blog is utter bunk. The Belgian customs found that without having requested the appropriate exp…
I agree with you in principle (that it's likely this is for use as rubbing alcohol, not as an industrial precursor), but in theory, there is still something going on here. Number one, they are able to track the volume and destinations of the trade. It would be weird to see a large fluctuation in exports-- why would Syrian consumers suddenly begin demanding or abandoning their use of rubbing alcohol? Demand is most li…
Did you account for the effect of trade sanctions on fluctuations of imports / exports?
I’m no world leader, but if I was subjected to trade sanctions and international scrutiny I’d get critical health supplies in large enough quantities in case they also stop trading those with me in the future.
Re: Tracking the Illegal Shipment of Sarin Precursor from Belgium to Syria
#44I want to be clear that I don’t know if chemical weapons are being used in Syria, although the evidence for the use of Chlorine in barrel bombs is strong. I’ll be honest and say that I haven’t seen good evidence of organophosphate poisonings, but I’m just some guy so who knows. What I do know for sure however, is that this blog is utter bunk. The Belgian customs found that without having requested the appropriate exp…
Information on funding: https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/879036821954539520
Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh responded to attacks by Bellingcat here: https://www.alternet.org/media/seymour-hersh-syria-bombshell
Re: Tracking the Illegal Shipment of Sarin Precursor from Belgium to Syria
#45I want to be clear that I don’t know if chemical weapons are being used in Syria, although the evidence for the use of Chlorine in barrel bombs is strong. I’ll be honest and say that I haven’t seen good evidence of organophosphate poisonings, but I’m just some guy so who knows. What I do know for sure however, is that this blog is utter bunk. The Belgian customs found that without having requested the appropriate exp…
Re: Tracking the Illegal Shipment of Sarin Precursor from Belgium to Syria
#46I want to be clear that I don’t know if chemical weapons are being used in Syria, although the evidence for the use of Chlorine in barrel bombs is strong. I’ll be honest and say that I haven’t seen good evidence of organophosphate poisonings, but I’m just some guy so who knows. What I do know for sure however, is that this blog is utter bunk. The Belgian customs found that without having requested the appropriate exp…
Re: Tracking the Illegal Shipment of Sarin Precursor from Belgium to Syria
#47Re: Tracking the Illegal Shipment of Sarin Precursor from Belgium to Syria
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with you in principle (that it's likely this is for use as rubbing alcohol, not as an industrial precursor), but in theory, there is still something going on here. Number one, they are able to track the volume and destinations of the trade. It would be weird to see a large fluctuation in exports-- why would Syrian consumers suddenly begin demanding or abandoning their use of rubbing alcohol? Demand is most li…
According to the United Nations, Syria imported 1,916,504 kilograms of "Propyl alcohol and isopropyl alcohol" in 2010, 1,705,420 kilograms in 2009, 926,139 kilograms in 2008, and so on... ...To quote another here. Isopropyl alcohol is not an organophosphate precursor. https://cyber.sci-hub.hk/MTAuMTAwMi9zbGN0LjIwMTcwMjc2Mw==/qu... Precursors of CW agents are chemicals which have relatively small molecules, that may b…
The mechanism behind organophosphate poisoning lies entirely in the phosphate part of the molecule. Among the enzymes present in the human body are a large class known as serine hydrolases. These enzymes hydrolyze chemical bonds in a wide variety of compounds (such as sugars, proteins, and lipids), and their function critically depends on a nucleophillic serine amino acid in the enzyme's structure. This serine attacks the bond to be hydrolyzed, freeing one half of the victim molecule and leaving the other half attached to the enzyme. Then water comes in and breaks the bond between the serine and the second half to restore the enzyme and in sum hydrolyze the original bond.
Organophosphate nerve agents act by entering the active site of a serine hydrolase. They are attacked by the active site serine to release a counterion (which depends on the specific nerve agent) and a phosphate ester of the enzyme. However, this enzyme ester can only be hydrolyzed extremely slowly-- the enzyme cannot be restored to its original form, and the entire enzyme is nonfunctional.
Now, the released counterion could be many things (it just needs to be something that will leave if pushed out by the hydrolase serine). On the other hand, it should not be too eager to leave like something like chlorine would be: if it was the potential nerve agent would be attacked by things like water before getting to the hydrolase, wasting the agent. Thus, a balance needs to be struck between something easy to displace but not too easy to displace. This gives the classic functional groups present in most nerve agents and organophosphate pesticides: fluoride, cyanide, thiols, and phenolates.
By the way, fluorides and fluoride minerals are virtually impossible to regulate trade in: they have a large variety of legitimate uses from toothpaste to aluminum production, and fluorspar is a fairly common mineral in the world. What is usually regulated instead are the phosphorus precursors such as phosphorus trichloride and red phosphorus as well as some chlorinating agents like thionyl chloride.
Re: Tracking the Illegal Shipment of Sarin Precursor from Belgium to Syria
#49I want to be clear that I don’t know if chemical weapons are being used in Syria, although the evidence for the use of Chlorine in barrel bombs is strong. I’ll be honest and say that I haven’t seen good evidence of organophosphate poisonings, but I’m just some guy so who knows. What I do know for sure however, is that this blog is utter bunk. The Belgian customs found that without having requested the appropriate exp…
It is not just a solvent. You can use ethanol in hand sanitizer, but isopropanol is what you need for sarin. That's why it's on the precursor lists, but at a low level in recognition of its industrial uses.
Isopropyl alcohol is not a chemical weapon precursor, just like water isn’t a cyanide gas precursor.
Re: Tracking the Illegal Shipment of Sarin Precursor from Belgium to Syria
#50I want to be clear that I don’t know if chemical weapons are being used in Syria, although the evidence for the use of Chlorine in barrel bombs is strong. I’ll be honest and say that I haven’t seen good evidence of organophosphate poisonings, but I’m just some guy so who knows. What I do know for sure however, is that this blog is utter bunk. The Belgian customs found that without having requested the appropriate exp…
It's needed for binary sarin. This info is readily available.
It is not the choke-point in that reaction either, while DF is. It also requires a trivial amount of easily produced or smuggled rubbing alcohol to make enough sarin to kill everyone in Syria. Isopropyl alone gets you nothing, and is easy to store and move around. Meanwhile...
Methylphosphonyl difluoride is both reactive and corrosive. It is absorbed through skin and causes burns and mild nerve agent symptoms. It reacts with water producing HF fumes and methylphosphonic acid as a result. It is also capable of corroding glass. It has a boiling point of only 55.4 °C at normal atmospheric pressure, and thus a fairly high vapor pressure at room temperature.
There’s a reason that Methylphosphonyl difluoride is class 1 controlled chemical weapons precursor, and you can buy rubbing alcohol anywhere.